southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Just now, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: I think shelving Rodon for a while is a good idea, but the relievers aren't in danger of being overworked so there was really no reason to have Ruiz pitch in a 0-0 game, and no reason to sit all of TA, Moncada and Robert against a pitcher the Sox had trouble with recently. There needs to be a balance between trying to get home field advantage and keeping players healthy and right now the pendulum is way too far in one direction. I can't fix TLR, that is a whole other problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The odds are WAY better with a healthy roster. Like I can't even believe anyone would think otherwise. I can’t fathom how anyone would think that making sure Ruiz gets high pressure work is more important than home field advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 46 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: I think shelving Rodon for a while is a good idea, but the relievers aren't in danger of being overworked so there was really no reason to have Ruiz pitch in a 0-0 game, and no reason to sit all of TA, Moncada and Robert against a pitcher the Sox had trouble with recently. There needs to be a balance between trying to get home field advantage and keeping players healthy and right now the pendulum is way too far in one direction. I’m no tlr fan, but he does have the benefit of talking to those guys to see how they feel. maybe guys said they wanted a day. /shrug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: I can’t fathom how anyone would think that making sure Ruiz gets high pressure work is more important than home field advantage. Better now than in the playoffs, which is quite literally the point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 15 hours ago, Balta1701 said: The white Sox have the largest home/road splits of any likely playoff team. While nothing is guaranteed, if there’s ever a team you want having home field advantage in the playoffs it’s this one. The last time the Sox were a threat to make the playoffs was 2012. That team ran out of gas. With the 60 game season last year, this one can as well, it’s an unknown. It is far better the Sox have to play an extra game on the road in the playoffs and be anywhere near full strength, than have an extra home game and be out of gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: The last time the Sox were a threat to make the playoffs was 2012. That team ran out of gas. With the 60 game season last year, this one can as well, it’s an unknown. It is far better the Sox have to play an extra game on the road in the playoffs and be anywhere near full strength, than have an extra home game and be out of gas. Last years team was DOA as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Better now than in the playoffs, which is quite literally the point. If Hendriks is this tired right now then he should be on the IL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Just now, Balta1701 said: If Hendriks is this tired right now then he should be on the IL. It wouldn't upset me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It wouldn't upset me. I bet he’d be upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 Just now, southsider2k5 said: Last years team was DOA as well. Last year's team had to start a guy with 34 career innings in Game 3 because there were no better options. This year's team has to choose between Lucas Giolito and Dylan Cease for Game 3. As I said, I'm 100% for giving ReyLo some more starts to keep the starters fresh, but there's still no reason to have Ruiz pitching in a tie game when Kopech, Bummer and Tepera were all available, and there's no reason to sit TA, Moncada and Robert all on the same day, especially vs a pitcher that had recent success against the Sox. None of those guys I just mentioned are in danger of being dead for the playoffs from overuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The last time the Sox were a threat to make the playoffs was 2012. That team ran out of gas. With the 60 game season last year, this one can as well, it’s an unknown. It is far better the Sox have to play an extra game on the road in the playoffs and be anywhere near full strength, than have an extra home game and be out of gas. So why was it ok to warm Kopech up without bringing him in, and then to burn a Kimbrel outing in a game we don’t want to win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I bet he’d be upset. Cool. Then use him sparingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: Last year's team had to start a guy with 34 career innings in Game 3 because there were no better options. This year's team has to choose between Lucas Giolito and Dylan Cease for Game 3. As I said, I'm 100% for giving ReyLo some more starts to keep the starters fresh, but there's still no reason to have Ruiz pitching in a tie game when Kopech, Bummer and Tepera were all available, and there's no reason to sit TA, Moncada and Robert all on the same day, especially vs a pitcher that had recent success against the Sox. None of those guys I just mentioned are in danger of being dead for the playoffs from overuse. Assuming Dylan Cease doesn't see ill effects for his huge jump in innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Assuming Dylan Cease doesn't see ill effects for his huge jump in innings. Every starting pitcher on all 30 teams has a huge jump in innings this year given that nobody got more than 12 starts last year. He threw 141.1 innings in 2019 and 124 innings in 2018 so he should be as able to handle it as anybody else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Assuming Dylan Cease doesn't see ill effects for his huge jump in innings. If the starters are in this bad of shape then they should have acquired a couple relievers at the trade deadline and stretched out Kopech to give everyone more rest. He needed innings and won’t get them anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 This is the least surprising IL stint of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If the starters are in this bad of shape then they should have acquired a couple relievers at the trade deadline and stretched out Kopech to give everyone more rest. He needed innings and won’t get them anyway. I was all for six starters. Obviously with Rodon now hurt that would still require others still to step up. Kopech is another one that has already been hurt and an innings worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 It's amazing, conditioning, exercise and nutrition and etc have improved ten fold over the past two decades, but for some reason position players in baseball need 20-30 games of rest per year to stay fresh while their counterparts 20-30 years ago took about 5-10 days off a season. Load management for position players in baseball is a load of garbage. Pitchers, because they've become so max effort are a different story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 any update on rodon and his MRI or the plan moving forward? I have not seen anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: It's amazing, conditioning, exercise and nutrition and etc have improved ten fold over the past two decades, but for some reason position players in baseball need 20-30 games of rest per year to stay fresh while their counterparts 20-30 years ago took about 5-10 days off a season. Load management for position players in baseball is a load of garbage. Pitchers, because they've become so max effort are a different story. Hitters are max effort as well, hence all the oblique issues. 20-30 games is not really accurate in terms of assigned rest / load management. 1-2 games off per month is reasonable, both then and now. Abreu, Yoan and Tim are adhering to this. Leury is the hardest working utility man in show business. Luis didn’t get a day off until he landed on the IL, he likely will play near everyday once he is fully recovered. Engel is also still working toward full strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 I have to wonder, would the Sox be better served adding guys in the mold of Buerhle or Maddux rather than a Ryan or Strasburg? Or do such pitchers even exist out there anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, SpringfieldFan said: I have to wonder, would the Sox be better served adding guys in the mold of Buerhle or Maddux rather than a Ryan or Strasburg? Or do such pitchers even exist out there anymore? There certainly aren't any other Greg Maddux-es. But that's because I can't think of any other pitchers like him in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: There certainly aren't any other Greg Maddux-es. But that's because I can't think of any other pitchers like him in my lifetime. fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: Every starting pitcher on all 30 teams has a huge jump in innings this year given that nobody got more than 12 starts last year. He threw 141.1 innings in 2019 and 124 innings in 2018 so he should be as able to handle it as anybody else. Cease looks built to go 200 innings more than any other starter on the staff. His velocity and spin rate are always there and it always look effortless. All other starters have shown visible signs of fatigue in various starts/stretches throughout the year. Edited August 12, 2021 by Sambuca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: It's amazing, conditioning, exercise and nutrition and etc have improved ten fold over the past two decades, but for some reason position players in baseball need 20-30 games of rest per year to stay fresh while their counterparts 20-30 years ago took about 5-10 days off a season. Load management for position players in baseball is a load of garbage. Pitchers, because they've become so max effort are a different story. For position players it's more the mental break than physical. Edited August 12, 2021 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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