CentralChamps21 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 There needs to be someone, either the new GM or someone else very high up in the organization, that is an analytics expert. Someone who can map out projected win totals with various combinations of players before starting to build next year's team. Someone who knows that trading up in the draft is generally a bad thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Okay, so they did fire Pace and Nagy rather than just going after the scapegoat. Now it makes sense to do what the Bulls did and bring in a football Artūras Karnišovas and bring in the GM and coach from there. Now we need to see what happens to Phillips and Desai (I predict he will be gone but may get an interview for his job). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: A bunch of quotes from players post game giving handshakes who indicated Raiders were going to kneel it/run clock out before time out. Their offense changed when they could run out the clock. They just ran two very safe plays. I do not think they were taking a knee but most likely a safe run that would keep the clock going. After the Charger timeout they had to go for the first down as the Chargers could call timeout after 3rd down and get the ball back. Why the Chargers called the time out is baffling. Was there any explanation? Great news on the Bears as while Pace had done some decent things, they were not enough to beleive the foundation was there. On the NBC football wrap up there was a great dialogue about Pace and the Halas Hall renovation. Kruetz said it best, all he had to do was go to OSU and tell an architect, I want that. For some reason the Bears made it sound like it was revolutionary while it is just what every other team has. Kudos to the architect not Ryan Pace.   Phillips will stick around in some capacity if Arlington Heights is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Another good sign....Ted is not going to be part of the press conference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I liked Pace but I get why he was fired. He tied his wagon to the wrong horse. That said it's going to be very difficult for them to find a guy to do a better job drafting than he did. He was able to find solid NFL players up and down the draft and that's not going to be easy to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, The Beast said: Okay, so they did fire Pace and Nagy rather than just going after the scapegoat. Now it makes sense to do what the Bulls did and bring in a football Artūras Karnišovas and bring in the GM and coach from there. Now we need to see what happens to Phillips and Desai (I predict he will be gone but may get an interview for his job). Desai's fate should be in the hands of the next coach. No one should force any assistant on the next coach. They may offer up names, etc to help speed up the process - but the coach has to be able to get his assistants.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Their offense changed when they could run out the clock. They just ran two very safe plays. I do not think they were taking a knee but most likely a safe run that would keep the clock going. After the Charger timeout they had to go for the first down as the Chargers could call timeout after 3rd down and get the ball back. Why the Chargers called the time out is baffling. Was there any explanation? Great news on the Bears as while Pace had done some decent things, they were not enough to beleive the foundation was there. On the NBC football wrap up there was a great dialogue about Pace and the Halas Hall renovation. Kruetz said it best, all he had to do was go to OSU and tell an architect, I want that. For some reason the Bears made it sound like it was revolutionary while it is just what every other team has. Kudos to the architect not Ryan Pace.   Phillips will stick around in some capacity if Arlington Heights is real. Yeah - but Pace was actually able to convince the Bears ownership that it was necessary. He convinced them to expand the scouting and player personel ranks, etc. Behind the scenes he actually did a lot. But its a results oriented business and difficult and despite those admirable things - the reality is he had 7 years (or whatever it was) and wasn't able to get it there. I do think he's learned and got better and I do think he is pretty solid at drafting, especially in later rounds, but his ability to maximize his actual draft capital/salary space - yeah...not good enough at all.  Ability to find special players, game changers, not good enough. There are worse GM's than Pace, but he clearly is not a top 10 GM in football.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Another good sign....Ted is not going to be part of the press conference. A good sign indeed. Even though as a fellow accountant, Ted Phillips is like a semi hero to me. I need to meet George and tell him I can be the next Ted.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I liked Pace but I get why he was fired. He tied his wagon to the wrong horse. That said it's going to be very difficult for them to find a guy to do a better job drafting than he did. He was able to find solid NFL players up and down the draft and that's not going to be easy to replace. Can't tell if this is a joke or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Outside of unnecessary trades of draft capital, I think one of Pace’s biggest blunders was the extension for Cohen. He was a third down, change of pace back. Obviously, the injury makes it hard to judge, but it seemed like a premature, bad idea at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 I think it will be Harbaugh. But they aren't going to sit around with him for long. He either accepts and they role or they go hire a GM pretty quick and let him conduct the HC search.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I liked Pace but I get why he was fired. He tied his wagon to the wrong horse. That said it's going to be very difficult for them to find a guy to do a better job drafting than he did. He was able to find solid NFL players up and down the draft and that's not going to be easy to replace. Part of drafting is not wasting draft capital, and he wasted a ton in all of his trade ups. This is a team that needs depth all over the roster, and he was steady giving away potential depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Middle Buffalo said: Outside of unnecessary trades of draft capital, I think one of Pace’s biggest blunders was the extension for Cohen. He was a third down, change of pace back. Obviously, the injury makes it hard to judge, but it seemed like a premature, bad idea at the time. A single extension for a RB didn't sink that GM. You can add in "several bad extensions" and throw in Eddie Jackson and you might have something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just now, Balta1701 said: A single extension for a RB didn't sink that GM. You can add in "several bad extensions" and throw in Eddie Jackson and you might have something. I can't put Eddie Jackson on the GM. The dude was a superstar when he extended, and then kind of quit trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 7 seasons, 1 winning season. Whoever says Ryan Pace drafted well isn't paying attention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Part of drafting is not wasting draft capital, and he wasted a ton in all of his trade ups. This is a team that needs depth all over the roster, and he was steady giving away potential depth. Yeah, Pace was really good at deciding who to draft in rounds 3-7, but the trade ups more than cancelled that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: A single extension for a RB didn't sink that GM. You can add in "several bad extensions" and throw in Eddie Jackson and you might have something. He said one of his biggest blunders, not the only one.  Pace also extended Trevathan who was on his third ACL repair, let his starting tackles walk with zero experienced replacements, kept Graham. there were many, we know there were many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 How is Joe Judge still employed lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said: How is Joe Judge still employed lol This. Flores is actually a really good candidate for Bears to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I liked Pace but I get why he was fired. He tied his wagon to the wrong horse. That said it's going to be very difficult for them to find a guy to do a better job drafting than he did. He was able to find solid NFL players up and down the draft and that's not going to be easy to replace. He tied his wagon a few times to a too to many of the wrong horses. Maybe Fields works out but until we know for sure, too many failed attempts at QB and head coach.  Comparatively speaking how is Pace at late round drafting v other teams? He appears to fail often on early round drafting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: How is Joe Judge still employed lol or Brandon Staley. Woof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: He tied his wagon a few times to a too to many of the wrong horses. Maybe Fields works out but until we know for sure, too many failed attempts at QB and head coach.  Comparatively speaking how is Pace at late round drafting v other teams? He appears to fail often on early round drafting. The guy has a career 48-65 record during his time with the Bears and had 1 season over .500 He never saw his team win a playoff game. He was very bad at this job. But I'm glad @Harold's Leg Lift "gets why he was fired" because it can be tough to understand why......🙄 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Now which comes first? Generally speaking I don't want the HC picking the GM but that may be what it takes to get their guy. Unless they have a GM lined up that search could take a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: or Brandon Staley. Woof Staley had a really bad game but I think he deserves more than one season lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Staley had a really bad game but I think he deserves more than one season lol He lost 3 games because of his horrible decision making. He literally coached them out of a playoff spot. He deserves to be fired.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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