Chisoxfn 1,514 Posted January 10 Childish. I had heard the Kreutz story - didn't realize the blog was going after him for it. When I heard it - I didn't even know what to think because I don't know what going rate for those types of things are in sports. I know a lot of people take unpaid roles following their pro career so have no idea whether $15 bucks an hour is horrific in terms of how the industry works (I know to most the # is staggeringly low for a former player). Think of all of those "grad assistant" type roles former players take when they go back to their old college and start to try and pick-up as a coach (I think all of those roles are "unpaid"). Maybe Bears mistake was they offered $15/hr vs. making it an "internship" haha. Or maybe most teams pay $50K or something for part time roles - no clue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Parkman 4,216 Posted January 10 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Who was the obvious QB they should have gotten instead of Wentz? There was no obvious answer. They should have traded up and drafted one. Edited January 10 by Jack Parkman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CentralChamps21 1,793 Posted January 10 17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Who was the obvious QB they should have gotten instead of Wentz? Nick Foles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chicago White Sox 8,663 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: There was no obvious answer. They should have traded up and drafted one. Which rookie QB was giving them a better chance to win this year than Wentz? If you say Mac Jones, I doubt you believed that before the season. The reality is the Colts had a win now team and needed a win now QB. And let’s not ignore the cost of moving up from the 21 spot in the draft to snag a QB. I just don’t think it’s as simple as you’re making it out to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Parkman 4,216 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Which rookie QB was giving them a better chance to win this year than Wentz? If you say Mac Jones, I doubt you believed that before the season. The reality is the Colts had a win now team and needed a win now QB. And let’s not ignore the cost of moving up from the 21 spot in the draft to snag a QB. I just don’t think it’s as simple as you’re making it out to be. That's the conundrum when you have a win now team and are a QB away. If you grab a win now QB they probably aren't good enough to win with anyway, otherwise they wouldn't be available. If the Bears have Kirk Cousins in 2018 do they win anything? Probably not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balta1701 5,077 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: That's the conundrum when you have a win now team and are a QB away. If you grab a win now QB they probably aren't good enough to win with anyway, otherwise they wouldn't be available. If the Bears have Kirk Cousins in 2018 do they win anything? Probably not. Can Cousins Kick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmags 8,355 Posted January 10 19 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Who was the obvious QB they should have gotten instead of Wentz? The media oogling over Ballard is annoying, but his discipline would have been far, far superior to post Emery Bears. Had we just fired Ballard, I'm sure our draft capital and salary cap would be in a different place. While hilarious they lost to the Jags, and Wentz being terrible, they've had a difficult decision with QB. He builds the team rapidly for Luck, then luck retires right before the season. While the Bears get Foles or Dalton, they were able to get Philip Rivers. They should have last year probably targeted Mac Jones, but with a fully formed team already, I get why they chose this route. Getting Yo-Yo'd by luck for years led to his lack of QB, we'll see what they do now. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chisoxfn 1,514 Posted January 10 Phillips to retain his role; Owner responsible for hiring GM (not TED). GM will be in charge of football. George specifically stated they will hire the GM first, than the HC. Polian will partner with George on the GM hiring process. Note: Most good news - but this seems to mean no president of football ops coming and presumably means no Harbaugh / McDaniels, who seem to be the 2 candidates on market who would come before a GM was hired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kyyle23 4,343 Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Phillips to retain his role; Owner responsible for hiring GM (not TED). GM will be in charge of football. George specifically stated they will hire the GM first, than the HC. Polian will partner with George on the GM hiring process. Note: Most good news - but this seems to mean no president of football ops coming and presumably means no Harbaugh / McDaniels, who seem to be the 2 candidates on market who would come before a GM was hired. He said Ted will help him make the decision Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chisoxfn 1,514 Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: He said Ted will help him make the decision Was about to come back and said that Ted will be involved though. So basically sounds like status quo from when they hired Pace -> other than technically I think Pace originally reported into Ted early in his career before being split out. So now there is that clarity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 5,114 Posted January 10 Silvy is right. The Bears can't have it both ways (but they'll sure as hell try.) Ted Phillips WILL be involved in hiring the new GM/Coach, but then once they are hired they report to George. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 5,114 Posted January 10 Just now, Chisoxfn said: Was about to come back and said that Ted will be involved though. So basically sounds like status quo from when they hired Pace -> other than technically I think Pace originally reported into Ted early in his career before being split out. So now there is that clarity. And the clarity confirms George still has no idea how to run a successful football team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chisoxfn 1,514 Posted January 10 They need a home run hire at GM. At this point - that is most important - find that person, lean on them to drive and change broad culture - get right coach and do things right. My preference would be to find a seasoned GM who has proven that ability (Rick Smith) and than lean on that person and maybe over time you expand the org more and move them into a president role in 2-3 years and start to create REAL bench strength. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmags 8,355 Posted January 10 19 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Phillips to retain his role; Owner responsible for hiring GM (not TED). GM will be in charge of football. George specifically stated they will hire the GM first, than the HC. Polian will partner with George on the GM hiring process. Note: Most good news - but this seems to mean no president of football ops coming and presumably means no Harbaugh / McDaniels, who seem to be the 2 candidates on market who would come before a GM was hired. not necessarily. Especially if they hire Jeff Ireland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmags 8,355 Posted January 10 35 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: That's the conundrum when you have a win now team and are a QB away. If you grab a win now QB they probably aren't good enough to win with anyway, otherwise they wouldn't be available. If the Bears have Kirk Cousins in 2018 do they win anything? Probably not. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southsideirish71 1,144 Posted January 10 (edited) Only a Chicago team takes the company accountant and decides to put him in the room to hire a football guy. This is like the janitor at a hospital sitting in the room during evaluations of the head neurosurgeon. Edited January 10 by southsideirish71 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marqhead 301 Posted January 10 I give credit to the reporters, they are really taking him to task. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmags 8,355 Posted January 10 I find the response to this press conference kind of obnoxious. The same people who 12 hours ago were saying how stupid the bears were because they are keeping Pace and are hopeless just seamlessly transition into how hopeless everything is because Ted Phillips is drawing up a contract and Bill Polian is consulted. It does suck that the Bears are the Bears but at some point they need someone to hire someone and even if they hire a President of Football, George McCaskey still needs to hire them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShoeLessRob 1,572 Posted January 10 The Bears are who we thought they were. They will not make any major improvements or the “next step” until ownership is changed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmags 8,355 Posted January 10 Good example of the temper tantrum of twitter right now. Yes I'm sure they'd all be quite content if George McCaskey said they will judge the success of the next GM not based on Wins and Losses - they are so random in the NFL. Instead he will judge their process. Woulda gone over great! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chisoxfn 1,514 Posted January 10 Just now, bmags said: Good example of the temper tantrum of twitter right now. Yes I'm sure they'd all be quite content if George McCaskey said they will judge the success of the next GM not based on Wins and Losses - they are so random in the NFL. Instead he will judge their process. Woulda gone over great! No matter what George has to get it right - that is always the case - so yeah - you are spot on the whining is just not necessary on that regard. He also indicated something I didn't realize - as he has said that he will be learning something new as he never had a GM report to him (I actually thought Pace reported to him at some point during his tenure so I was wrong there). Re: Ireland - he only excites me if you are getting Harbaugh - otherwise, I'm not in love with him (but what do I know). Smith, if he really is interested, seems like such an obvious answer (unless he is a royal pain to work with, etc). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Parkman 4,216 Posted January 10 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: No matter what George has to get it right - that is always the case - so yeah - you are spot on the whining is just not necessary on that regard. He also indicated something I didn't realize - as he has said that he will be learning something new as he never had a GM report to him (I actually thought Pace reported to him at some point during his tenure so I was wrong there). Re: Ireland - he only excites me if you are getting Harbaugh - otherwise, I'm not in love with him (but what do I know). Smith, if he really is interested, seems like such an obvious answer (unless he is a royal pain to work with, etc). I'm not sure Rick Smith is interested in doing football anymore. My understanding is that he quit to spend more time with his kids when his wife died. Could be pulling a Rick Moranis. Edited January 10 by Jack Parkman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
