Dick Allen Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, hankchifan said: Right on. It would have been the end of the Goodwin era, and the beginning of Murderous Row. Also a position player contributing every game rather than a reliever coming in every two or three games. So you really think the Cubs would have traded Bryant to the White Sox? RH admitted he had to pay a White Sox tax on Kimbrel. Bryant is more beloved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, Dick Allen said: So you really think the Cubs would have traded Bryant to the White Sox? RH admitted he had to pay a White Sox tax on Kimbrel. Bryant is more beloved. The tax was for Kimbrel’s option year, not the fact that it was a crosstown trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: Kris Bryant was staring them in the face and he would have been a game changing addition for this club. It also wouldn't have taken NEARLY the package the Sox traded away for Kimbrel. Just brutal all the way around. 7 minutes ago, hankchifan said: Right on. It would have been the end of the Goodwin era, and the beginning of Murderous Row. Also a position player contributing every game rather than a reliever coming in every two or three games. I hope they go out and get Marte in the offseason. He would be a really good fit for this team with his defense and speed in the outfield. He can also hit extra base hits and steal bases. Edited September 12, 2021 by maloney.adam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, hankchifan said: Agree. Madrigal complemented our team well as a contact .300 hitter with minimal strikeouts. Have heard/read that Madrigal didn't fit in especially well in the clubhouse or dugout. shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, FoxForce2 said: Hahn's 'predecessor' was renowned for meatball trades and pickups. It's only anecdotal, but an Oakland A's insider said that they loved dealing with Williams in that the A's always got the better end of the deal. <----- Not much of a Williams fan, at least as a GM. I think unjustified hubris may have been a factor n the Kimbrel trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: So you really think the Cubs would have traded Bryant to the White Sox? RH admitted he had to pay a White Sox tax on Kimbrel. Bryant is more beloved. Isn’t Boras Bryant’s agent? That may have affected the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: I hope they go out and get Marte in the offseason. He would be a really good fit for this team with his defense and speed in the outfield. He can also hit extra base hits and steal bases. I wonder if they are hoping that Cespedes will be ready to push for an OF spot next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I hope Kimbrel does well in the playoffs and builds his value. I want to have nothing to do with this guy next year as I would trade him in off season and get some assets back for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: I hope they go out and get Marte in the offseason. He would be a really good fit for this team with his defense and speed in the outfield. He can also hit extra base hits and steal bases. Wouldn't Marte cost a 3-4 year contract? Cespedes hasn't been dominating at AA, but this is his first year as a pro and the Sox have a substantial spot invested in him. I'm still thinking he'll be getting innings in RF after the AS break next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Great series win by the White Sox. TLaR proved a lot of know-it-all second guessing little b1tches wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, tray said: Great series win by the White Sox. TLaR proved a lot of know-it-all second guessing little b1tches wrong. What did Leury homer have to do with TLR? TLR was ready to bring Wright in the 10th. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, tray said: Great series win by the White Sox. TLaR proved a lot of know-it-all second guessing little b1tches wrong. He proved the second-guessers right on several counts yesterday. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 hour ago, hankchifan said: What we needed was a good defensive outfielder with pop, not another reliever. The guy everyone wanted, Gallo was a worse trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) Hard to argue with the Division lead and the overall record. The sub .500 record in one-run games and on the road not so great though. Good to get two one-run wins this series. TLR = mixed bag with an awful lot of head scratching decisions through the season. Edited September 12, 2021 by FoxForce2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 The inability to add runs late is what is impacting the pen most of all to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 As well as limiting starters innings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Unpopular opinion: If Luis Robert doesn't make the 9th a 4 out inning, no one is talking about Kimbrel right now 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Kimbrel is an 8 time All-Star who, at the trade had an ERA of 0.49 and WHIP of .70 while striking out almost 16/per 9. Madrigal was on the DL and out for the season. Heuer showed flashes but hadn't distinguished himself so as to be missed (granted he has performed better in Cub uniform). I don't think Hahn/Williams can be critized for the trade logic. The issue here is Kimbrels performance since coming over. I don't think anyone could have expected he would struggle this badly....certainly not based upon his performance at time of trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: Yeah, it really should go to the most effective pitcher of the game. To be fair, Liam also received wins after much worse performances, including a win after giving up four runs to the Yankees. The Sox didn’t give up anything of value for Cesar. 2021 Heuer alone is a regret in a Kimbrel trade, let alone years of control for both. Hahn and Tony were really adamant about tossing a lot of money into the bullpen. If they win 1-2 WS, it’s written off as the cost of doing business. If they do not, there could be major regret. Still have four weeks to right the ship, same with the injured pitchers, Tim, Engel, etc. I dont think it'll bite them, but pilkington has been pretty lights out since the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Kimbrel strikes again! All you saying the trade will be judged in the playoffs, how can you even trust him to pitch in the playoffs? I sure as hell don’t want him pitching in a hold/save situation since he’s been utter garbage with us. Cool first half bro, but that was with the Cubs and in a different league, he’s been Marshall/Foster level since the trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I dont think it'll bite them, but pilkington has been pretty lights out since the trade. Player development. Constant improvement. Cleveland identifies pitching talent and develops them. Not that the Cubs have been doing much development of pitching, but Heuer remarked on the training gear that the Cubes have available for the pitchers - something that the Sox, for the most part, lack. On the farm maybe it's different, but at the top - not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, Flash said: Kimbrel is an 8 time All-Star who, at the trade had an ERA of 0.49 and WHIP of .70 while striking out almost 16/per 9. Madrigal was on the DL and out for the season. Heuer showed flashes but hadn't distinguished himself so as to be missed (granted he has performed better in Cub uniform). I don't think Hahn/Williams can be critized for the trade logic. The issue here is Kimbrels performance since coming over. I don't think anyone could have expected he would struggle this badly....certainly not based upon his performance at time of trade. This is spot on. The Sox management went and got the best possible available player to fill a hole in the pen where the team had been having major problems with bridge work in the pen. There is a whole lot of revisionist history based on performance, but Sox management is trying to win. The same people who spent years bitching about the Sox being cheap are now upset they weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick0984 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) Btw, Zambrano was in the stands today. Was a few rows in front of us behind the home dugout. Shook some hands and took a couple pictures with people but pretty low key. He stood when the WS scored the first run in the 6th but did not clap or say anything, fwiw. Edited September 12, 2021 by Maverick0984 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 hours ago, hankchifan said: It was a terrible trade giving up two young stars including a first rounder for a 32 yr old guy that we did not need. We already had a Hendriks. Hahn screwed up big time. Shhhhh tired old nags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is spot on. The Sox management went and got the best possible available player to fill a hole in the pen where the team had been having major problems with bridge work in the pen. There is a whole lot of revisionist history based on performance, but Sox management is trying to win. The same people who spent years bitching about the Sox being cheap are now upset they weren't. Revisionist history? We discussed this the day they made the trade there was way too much risk for a guy who had been inconsistent and not what he once was.. and that trading for a guy at his absolute peak value was a terrible decision. Just because the media told you they got the best player available doesn't make it true. This was bad process since day 1. No one pays their 8th inning guy 18 million and gives up assets to do so. Edited September 13, 2021 by Look at Ray Ray Run 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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