Pal Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Yeah, was told it wasnt as likely as was being reported, was beginning to expect it today. Seems real unlikely there is a market for him at that price given what happened with Miley today. Teams are gonna hoard $$$ in anticipation of the new CBA it looks like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, maloney.adam said: Except Conforto is more likely to stay with the Mets on a QO and then hit FA at age 30 next year. Still would be a $6+ million bump up in salary despite coming off a middling year offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 What 2B would we be trading for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said: What 2B would we be trading for? McNeil, Frazier? Edited November 6, 2021 by ShoeLessRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said: What 2B would we be trading for? The White Sox always try to swing for the fences in some offseason deal right? Lowe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriendlyNorthsider Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 6 hours ago, chw42 said: 6 bWAR is a vast over value for him. bWAR tends to go crazy when a good pitcher has a good year with a bad defense behind him. I think his true value is probably somewhere around 2-3 WAR. And that is probably true. But he instantly becomes the cubs best starter and is incredibly cheap. Love it for the cubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleedawg Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The White Sox always try to swing for the fences in some offseason deal right? Lowe. If we swing for the fence, give me Jose Ramirez, though I shudder to think what we would have to give up for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 6 hours ago, ron883 said: 1000%. The Sox aren't keeping Kimbrel. If they do, it'll be a big mistake. Doubling down on the original mistake of trading for him in the first place, when we already had a closer and needed a RF instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The White Sox always try to swing for the fences in some offseason deal right? Lowe. Right team, wrong player....Joey Wendle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 27 minutes ago, fathom said: Right team, wrong player....Joey Wendle He will automatically produce like Keppinger… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 37 minutes ago, fathom said: Right team, wrong player....Joey Wendle Why are you thinking this? Feels like you’ve said this before too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Why are you thinking this? Feels like you’ve said this before too. Just seems like a logical fit, as it’s a lefty hitting 2nd baseman and he’s the type of guy Tampa looks to trade as he gets more expensive. I would be fine with it if they go big in RF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 I still think there is a chance of a Keuchel for La Stella deal. Might have to throw in some cash and include a small piece like Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: I still think there is a chance of a Keuchel for La Stella deal. Might have to throw in some cash and include a small piece like Collins. LaStella had surgery recently and will be out 4 months. I’m of the opinion Giants would rather just keep him though and use their available money to find a pitcher than to take on Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 minute ago, fathom said: LaStella had surgery recently and will be out 4 months. I’m of the opinion Giants would rather just keep him though and use their available money to find a pitcher than to take on Dallas. The Giants need four starting pitchers though and I doubt they’ll address all four spots in free agency. Adding a guy like Keuchel provides some certainty while they go out and pursue some of the bigger fish. Obviously it’s got to be at a price point that’s attractive to them, which probably means us eating a little bit of money and giving up a small piece. And with La Stella’s recent surgery, I think that makes it more motivating for them to move him. Plus dude will make $11.5M in 2023 which is pretty high given what 2B are going for nowadays. I don’t know, I just don’t see La Stella being an overly valuable trade chip given the front-loading of his contract and the fact he was injured / underperformed last year. Throw in his latest surgery that puts OD readiness at risk and I think that contract is probably underwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: The Giants need four starting pitchers though and I doubt they’ll address all four spots in free agency. Adding a guy like Keuchel provides some certainty while they go out and pursue some of the bigger fish. Obviously it’s got to be at a price point that’s attractive to them, which probably means us eating a little bit of money and giving up a small piece. And with La Stella’s recent surgery, I think that makes it more motivating for them to move him. Plus dude will make $11.5M in 2023 which is pretty high given what 2B are going for nowadays. I don’t know, I just don’t see La Stella being an overly valuable trade chip given the front-loading of his contract and the fact he was injured / underperformed last year. Throw in his latest surgery that puts OD readiness at risk and I think that contract is probably underwater. If they’re keeping Desclafini/Gausman and likely sacrificing Alex Wood for salary reasons, no way they’d take on Keuchel… Because if that’s the case, why not just keep Wood and not make a trade at all for a much more expensive and ineffective pitcher? Plus they have to bring back Belt as well. Even then, would that solve 2B? And who would take Keuchel’s and Rodon’s spots if both go? Giolito, Lynn, Cease, Kopech for limited innings…then? Lopez/Lambert/Stiever? It wouldn’t make the payroll any cheaper if they had to spend $6-7 million on another #4/5 veteran FA starter…which is even more of a crapshoot than Keuchel in all likelihood. Yet another overlooked aspect of the Madrigal trade, blowing up the payroll by another $6-12 million. Edited November 6, 2021 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) Most of our fanbase looks at the likely-hood that the Sox can repeat as central division champs, and seem set on any offseason moves should be directed at trying to set the team up to specifically win games next October... while virtually every other club in the league is ultimately focused on building to win their division. It is a unique situation the Sox find themselves in, one that honestly needs to be taken fully advantage of. I am flirting with the idea that this could present an opportunity to attempt to use these next couple years where they are likely greater than 50% to win the division, to build deeper system and hopefully set the club up for very long term success, way past the current window. Instead of pushing every last chip into the middle (when it might only negligibly help their actual chances of winning a World Series). Fans won't want to hear this but adding Conforto (who I love) would only improve our WS odds by maybe 2%, at the most. Maybe the answer is trading from our major league ready LF/1B/DH log jam for multiple prospects? Or just keeping the Rodon comp pick instead of burning it for the right to outbid the entire league for a free agent? Dealing Kopech and/or Crochet in this weird bridge year where they will possibly both be spent long before October if they are being stretched out to start? Hell, if you want to get really crazy with it you could eat a bad contract (that hopefully would still help the big club this year) and get some young players back in return (something the Sox should have done the entire rebuild). Another positive to using this strategy is if you accumulate young talent, they can then be flipped at a deadline if a move is necessary or if one presents extreme value. If you don't have young talent, you can't make those moves, no matter how obvious they may be. I know this won't be a popular taek but the division being SO soft is really the only thing very unique about the Sox' chances compared to other teams right now and that advantage needs to be exploited. The obvious idea would be to stockpile relievers and platoon players at any cost. I just think it might be a sneaky idea to use these years to try and rebuild the system, when it won't even tangibly change our actual chances to win a World Series. Edited November 6, 2021 by GREEDY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 13 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I still think there is a chance of a Keuchel for La Stella deal. Might have to throw in some cash and include a small piece like Collins. We couldn't trade Keuchel for a Stella beer while paying half of his salary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: We couldn't trade Keuchel for a Stella beer while paying half of his salary. Keuchel will have to go in a package AND the Sox will have to eat a big chunk of salary to move him. I guess it could be worked, but it's pretty much a rock/hard place deal on Keuch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 Southpaw is a HOFer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Semien and Ray got QO's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 On 11/5/2021 at 6:04 PM, Pal said: Yeah, was told it wasnt as likely as was being reported, was beginning to expect it today. Seems real unlikely there is a market for him at that price given what happened with Miley today. Teams are gonna hoard $$$ in anticipation of the new CBA it looks like. Oops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I expect Keuchel to bounce back pretty well next year, and the Sox will lose their ass if they try and dump him for a bag of balls. I don't think anyone in their right mind thinks Keuchel is 'done', do they? If they do try trading him, they're gonna have to pick up a chunk of that salary regardless unless it's swapping contracts I roll the dice with him locked in at 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) The 40 man roster is down to 33. They are definitely adding players through free agency or trades. Edited November 7, 2021 by maloney.adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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