BrittBurnsFan Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, maloney.adam said: I think it’s more likely he’s in his office right now staring out the window wondering what happened in the 2nd half of the season and in the postseason. Lol He and KW have to wish they didn't gloat so much about acquiring Kimbral...how many times did we read the quotes about KW and RH saying if they could add one guy "Kimbral was that guy"! Ouch! I agree that Kimbral didn't produce and that is on him...but yikes! HE was that guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 14 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Greinke was absolutely terrible down the stretch. He's finished I think. I am talking about a 5th starter on a 1 year deal. Not backing up the truck. We’re pretty covered 1-4. Was just an idea in my sad state. I’ll have to study the FA lists - I am sure there are plenty of other names that would fit the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Saufley said: Maybe that fresh coaching staff will come with the new manager. Manager most certainly included in my “fresh coaching staff” comment. Just don’t see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BrittBurnsFan said: He and KW have to wish they didn't gloat so much about acquiring Kimbral...how many times did we read the quotes about KW and RH saying if they could add one guy "Kimbral was that guy"! Ouch! I agree that Kimbral didn't produce and that is on him...but yikes! HE was that guy? Relievers are a crapshoot. One year they can really good and the next year they can be bad or they can be really good the 1st half of the season and bad for the 2nd half of the season. Heuer is a good example of this. He wasn’t pitching all that great with the Sox and than all of a sudden he was pitching great with the Cubs. What changed? Was it a change of scenery? Was it a change in pitching philosophy or mechanics? With Kimbrel, I think it had a lot to do with how they were using him. It just didn’t work out this year. Edited October 13, 2021 by maloney.adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 13 hours ago, pcq said: They could go cheap with Romy and big bucks for RF. We need lineup balance, defense and OBP from those 2 spots. Romy solves none of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 10 hours ago, AJ'S Cousin said: Rodon should be made a qualifying offer. 18.4 million for 1 year? He’s only 28 and change, if he signs GREAT, if not we get draft pick or picks and maybe some international signing dollars, or all of the above. He worth the risk for 1 year. With this year under his belt, a winter of rest, he may back even better. Show me a 28 year old we can get that can throw between 95 and 99 other than Rodon, that’s available?? Don’t think so. PS, LOL, to ShoelessRob, and all in fun, you just topped all the moves that the Hawk made when he was GM. Like I said, all in fun, we all want to have fun and have the Sox Win Next Year You accidentally hit on the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: We need lineup balance, defense and OBP from those 2 spots. Romy solves none of that. The team doesn't have the money to go big at both spots while signing relievers. Grab Conforto and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 14 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They desperately need to acquire a strong defensive catcher. I don't disagree but what do you do when this guy is catching? Do you play Yaz at DH? How do Abreu, Eloy, Vaughn and Sheets fit in in this scenario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, ron883 said: The team doesn't have the money to go big at both spots while signing relievers. Grab Conforto and call it a day. Yep. Looking at free agency, there is really no one after Semien. Being 31, I feel like he is more realistic for the Sox than the other guys available at SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Assuming Rodon walks, where are we plugging in another starter? Unless you deal Keuchel somehow, you still have Lynn, Giolito, Cease, and Kopech sliding into a starting role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Lots of talk of trading Vaughn and Sheets. I'd hate to sell low but I'd definitely sell high on either. I'm sure they shopped Vaughn a bit so they know where his value was before his slump this year. One of them is the starting 1B next year for me. Abreu is poor defensively and only getting older. Him not executing a routine scoop of on Tim's error was the nail in the coffin yesterday. Error goes to TA but there are random high school first basemen scooping that 9 out of 10 times. He is going to have to get used to spending at least some time at DH. Yaz also needs about 150 PA at DH as well in 2022. Eloy could use 100 too. Can't have 5 guys at DH, so if either is tradable, I think you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, manbearpuig said: Assuming Rodon walks, where are we plugging in another starter? Unless you deal Keuchel somehow, you still have Lynn, Giolito, Cease, and Kopech sliding into a starting role. Dallas has very little trade value...just gotta hope he is a serviceable 5th starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Off-season needs (no particular order): Right Fielder (one that can hit left-handed preferred.) Second Baseman (preferably a lefty but righty could be ok with a lefty in RF) Reliever to replace Kimbrel (whether you decline option or pick it up and trade him somehow) Reliever to replace Kopech (Kopech slides into starting role) Veteran backup C. The time Grandal was out was brutal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, wegner said: Dallas has very little trade value...just gotta hope he is a serviceable 5th starter. And I think he can be. Just don't expect anything better than he was this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, GREEDY said: Lots of talk of trading Vaughn and Sheets. I'd hate to sell low but I'd definitely sell high on either. I'm sure they shopped Vaughn a bit so they know where his value was before his slump this year. One of them is the starting 1B next year for me. Abreu is poor defensively and only getting older. Him not executing a routine scoop of on Tim's error was the nail in the coffin yesterday. Error goes to TA but there are random high school first basemen scooping that 9 out of 10 times. He is going to have to get used to spending at least some time at DH. Yaz also needs about 150 PA at DH as well in 2022. Eloy could use 100 too. Can't have 5 guys at DH, so if either is tradable, I think you do it. Sheets is not better than Abreu at 1B....not sure about Vaughn but I believe some think he is not tall enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don't disagree but what do you do when this guy is catching? Do you play Yaz at DH? How do Abreu, Eloy, Vaughn and Sheets fit in in this scenario? Too many redundant players. They have some tough decisions to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, wegner said: Dallas has very little trade value...just gotta hope he is a serviceable 5th starter. Considering that he was brought in for his veteran playoff experience...that sucks. But I agree with you that is most likely what we get...more of this year's performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Too many redundant players. They have some tough decisions to make. Too many corner type, right handed bats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I am talking about a 5th starter on a 1 year deal. Not backing up the truck. We’re pretty covered 1-4. Was just an idea in my sad state. I’ll have to study the FA lists - I am sure there are plenty of other names that would fit the bill. Yeah, Greinke really isn't any better than Keuchel at this point I don't think. Had a FIP of 4.71 and that got worse as the year went on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yeah, Greinke really isn't any better than Keuchel at this point I don't think. Had a FIP of 4.71 and that got worse as the year went on. But he's got that experience that is invaluable, Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, wegner said: I bet Rick Hahn is counting the days until SoxFest.......is over. Unless they make some bold moves before then. The team is going to be handcuffed a bit with money, but a few creative moves could free up some cash and allow them to make a splash. If they end up with a true RF and another solid SP (and maybe a good 2B) by then, SoxFest could be a better time for Hahn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLsoxfan Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) Pipe Dream I know but I would do the following: Pick up Kimbrel option; hope with a full season of 8th inning his results improve Package Crochet, Burger and Keuchel for Conforto Offer Rodon QO to recover a draft pick Kopech to the rotation Vaughn/Abreu split 1B/DH Romy takes Leury's spot at utility Sign Chris Taylor 3/45 for 2b Sign Scherzer 3/112 the playoffs have shown us this team needs an ace. Resign Tepera 2/18 Edit: Conforto is a free agent! Nevermind I guess - nonetheless, I think packaging Crochet with Keuchel for a legit RF/2b threat is the right move to make. Edited October 13, 2021 by FLsoxfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Timmy U said: I live in NYC. Many of my friends and coworkers are Mets fans. They haaaaaaaaaate Conforto. They claim he is their least clutch player. And he’s gonna be expensive. Fan opinion is somewhat worthless. Conforto has a career 124 wRC+ (meaning hes 24% abouve league average), he hits for power from the left side, he's serviceable defensively. Career OBP of .356. He's far and away the best fit for the Sox on the FA market. He won't be super cheap, but you're getting hit a significant discount from what he'd have costed prior to 21. I think a deal similar to Yaz gets it done. 3-4 years at $15-18M AAV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) I need to think about this for a while - To fresh off the loss. I'm not even sure the front office knows what they're doing with Kopech next season let alone this team. Tony made some good points earlier in this thread. All year we lose more than we win vs. winning teams. I'm not even sure we had the most wins in our own division in the second half! So yes the front office will need to address this. Edited October 13, 2021 by smellysox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Too many redundant players. They have some tough decisions to make. The irony of this coming from you is you hated the player who was different. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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