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19 hours ago, hankchifan said:

Fans are an important stakeholder for the Sox, and should be listened too.  I guess many players would not prefer a hard driven hard ass manager.  Would prefer a low energy manager not pushing them too hard.

I think most players want a manager that helps their career and lifetime earnings. 

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5 hours ago, Flash said:

Eloy's value is polarizing for fans. There are clearly those who believe he will eventually fulfill on the promise he displayed while literally exploding lights in the OF tower. Since his debut in 2019 he has accumulated 3.4 WAR across almost 900 plate appearance (0.6 across 213 PA in '21). Can he hit for power?...no doubt. Awkward and uncoordinated?...yep.

I am respectful of the opinions of most here and can understand the appeal of Eloy. That said, I am not a fan and believe his value in trade will continue to plummet from today's level which, we might be unpleasantly surprised to find, is not as robust as some believe. Moreover, to me, he appears to lack intensity and seriousness. Maybe I'm being overly critical and I don't expect him to be Juan Soto and stare down pitchers after each pitch but I'd sure like to see him act like he gives a shit.

Obviously, I'd trade him to capitalize on whatever trade value he possesses. I might be wrong but I don't think the Sox can ever reach the promised land with Eloy in LF and the middle of the lineup...especially as long as Abreu is also around.  

Some interesting thoughts to ponder.

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Goddamnit.  I am doing a terrible job of taking a sabatical but I read some of this stuff in this thread and I have thoughts.  

1) We don't need a fulltime catcher.  We need a back up, and I would do everything I can to sign Maldonado for that, but Yasmani Grandal is a really good defensive catcher.  He needs to get better at blocking pitches but his framing is excellent.  And to be honest, the reason the Astros were able to run at will on him is not his fault but the fault of the pitchers.  Pudge Rodriguez in his prime would not have been able to throw these runners out.  The pitchers did such an awful job of holding them on.  Ozzie pointed this out.  The only pitcher it seems who is somewhat good at this is Keuchel.  He works quickly and he has a pretty solid pickoff move.  But the rest are really bad at this.  They need to get better at it.

2) It would be awesome if we got Scherzer but I'm kind of torn about even trading Keuchel.  Keuchel was atrocious but its very likely that we could see a bounce back year.  Dude finished fifth in Cy Young voting in 2020.  And had a solid first half.  That being said, if they can find a suitor and get something back in value, I would do it.  To be honest, I think adding another starting pitcher isn't a priority.  These guys are who they were this season.  And with more experience in the postseason, they will get better.

3) Eloy shouldn't be traded.  This is such an overreaction.  LaRussa actually got an A- from Fangraphs for his lineup construction in the playoffs.  But I do think with Abreu and him, you should break them up in the order.  Let's say we get someone like a McNeil (let me dream for a second), my lineup would be something like this.

TA
McNeil

Abreu

Luis

Eloy

Grandal

Moncada

Sheets

Vaughn

Eloy's struggles this year were pretty bad but Dude is a bonafide superstar.  

4) I think the White Sox should stop looking at the AL Central and look at the Astros as their Northstar or their bullies.  In the same way we did with the Twins in 05, how can we make ourselves a little like the Astros.  How can we gain that killer edge?  How can we match up better with them.  It's a small signing but Maldonado would be huge.  He's a veteran who can likely impart a lot of wisdom onto some of these younger players, especially during the postseason.  

5) Change up the coaching staff.  La Russa isn't going anywhere and quite frankly, nor should he.  And Katz and Cairo are both really good.  But like the rest of the coaching staff is basically what we had with Ventura and Renteria.  Tony has talked about leaning a lot on his coaching staff in St. Louis.  A lot of these guys aren't very good.  Also Menechino, if he doesn't go, is on a short leash.  There's probably not a chance in hell they could get Cintron from Houston but someone like him would be amazing.

 

Anyways, I'll try and get back to my sabbatical. 

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28 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

Goddamnit.  I am doing a terrible job of taking a sabatical but I read some of this stuff in this thread and I have thoughts.  

1) We don't need a fulltime catcher.  We need a back up, and I would do everything I can to sign Maldonado for that, but Yasmani Grandal is a really good defensive catcher.  He needs to get better at blocking pitches but his framing is excellent.  And to be honest, the reason the Astros were able to run at will on him is not his fault but the fault of the pitchers.  Pudge Rodriguez in his prime would not have been able to throw these runners out.  The pitchers did such an awful job of holding them on.  Ozzie pointed this out.  The only pitcher it seems who is somewhat good at this is Keuchel.  He works quickly and he has a pretty solid pickoff move.  But the rest are really bad at this.  They need to get better at it.

2) It would be awesome if we got Scherzer but I'm kind of torn about even trading Keuchel.  Keuchel was atrocious but its very likely that we could see a bounce back year.  Dude finished fifth in Cy Young voting in 2020.  And had a solid first half.  That being said, if they can find a suitor and get something back in value, I would do it.  To be honest, I think adding another starting pitcher isn't a priority.  These guys are who they were this season.  And with more experience in the postseason, they will get better.

3) Eloy shouldn't be traded.  This is such an overreaction.  LaRussa actually got an A- from Fangraphs for his lineup construction in the playoffs.  But I do think with Abreu and him, you should break them up in the order.  Let's say we get someone like a McNeil (let me dream for a second), my lineup would be something like this.

TA
McNeil

Abreu

Luis

Eloy

Grandal

Moncada

Sheets

Vaughn

Eloy's struggles this year were pretty bad but Dude is a bonafide superstar.  

4) I think the White Sox should stop looking at the AL Central and look at the Astros as their Northstar or their bullies.  In the same way we did with the Twins in 05, how can we make ourselves a little like the Astros.  How can we gain that killer edge?  How can we match up better with them.  It's a small signing but Maldonado would be huge.  He's a veteran who can likely impart a lot of wisdom onto some of these younger players, especially during the postseason.  

5) Change up the coaching staff.  La Russa isn't going anywhere and quite frankly, nor should he.  And Katz and Cairo are both really good.  But like the rest of the coaching staff is basically what we had with Ventura and Renteria.  Tony has talked about leaning a lot on his coaching staff in St. Louis.  A lot of these guys aren't very good.  Also Menechino, if he doesn't go, is on a short leash.  There's probably not a chance in hell they could get Cintron from Houston but someone like him would be amazing.

 

Anyways, I'll try and get back to my sabbatical. 

I'm assuming you mean Narron, McEwing or Boston then...?

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42 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

1) We don't need a fulltime catcher.  We need a back up, and I would do everything I can to sign Maldonado for that, but Yasmani Grandal is a really good defensive catcher.  He needs to get better at blocking pitches but his framing is excellent.  And to be honest, the reason the Astros were able to run at will on him is not his fault but the fault of the pitchers.  Pudge Rodriguez in his prime would not have been able to throw these runners out.  The pitchers did such an awful job of holding them on.  Ozzie pointed this out.  The only pitcher it seems who is somewhat good at this is Keuchel.  He works quickly and he has a pretty solid pickoff move.  But the rest are really bad at this.  They need to get better at it.

 

Of course Keuchel is better at holding runners. Look at how much practice he got.

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50 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

Goddamnit.  I am doing a terrible job of taking a sabatical but I read some of this stuff in this thread and I have thoughts.  

1) We don't need a fulltime catcher.  We need a back up, and I would do everything I can to sign Maldonado for that,

Maldonado is under contract with the Astros for next year and will not be a free agent. You would have to trade for him.

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7 hours ago, Flash said:

Obviously. My point was Eloy and Abreu have similar batting profiles. Free swingers prone to chasing sliders out of the zone. When they connect, its fun but too often pitchers can induce Ks or weak contact.

 

Or hit into double plays.

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Grandal, Abreu, Leury, Vaughn, and Eloy are double play machines which is why i dont understand how this team can be ok taking a contact approach. Its a waste. We ranked 27th in GDP. 

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10 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said:

Of course Keuchel is better at holding runners. Look at how much practice he got.

Burned.

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