The MLB lockout is lifted!

[caulfield12]

33 minutes ago, Texsox said:

The owners and veteran players have room to be generous and compromise by taking care of the younger players and minimum wagers. Otherwise we can watch some minor league teams play in the mlb ballparks for a while. 

They won’t cross the picket lines if they are legit prospects…

[poppysox]

37 minutes ago, Texsox said:

The owners and veteran players have room to be generous and compromise by taking care of the younger players and minimum wagers. Otherwise we can watch some minor league teams play in the mlb ballparks for a while. 

Good Point!

[poppysox]

1 hour ago, Texsox said:

I'm not suggesting they are spoiled, I believed until proven otherwise they are hard working, competitive men, trying to make the most money possible. So I agree that is a silly thought. I also think it's silly to worry that Luery is only earning $5.5 mil next year instead of $7 mil or that Roberts might not be a free agent soon enough.

Which Sox contract do you look at and think damn I would feel better if he was making more? I doubt any of them.

I also don't care how much the share holders earn.

You have a way with words.

[JTB]

1 hour ago, poppysox said:

You make a reasonable guess.  I'm optimistic so I will say Feb.28.

I’ll go with Feb. 29.  You can pick the year.

[poppysox]

3 minutes ago, JTB said:

I’ll go with Feb. 29.  You can pick the year.

Also a possibility.

[raBBit]

7 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Yes, there are some posts so ridiculous they are beyond the need to respond.

Anyone here can look up the tax rates for Capital Gains (Unrealized taxed at 0%) or Long Term Capital Gains vs. Federal, State and Local Wage rates.

Most also can understand the difference between home owners of a non income producing asset which they pay property taxes on each and every six months vs. a business which not only has their capital expenses paid for by the rabble, but also the fact the billionaire's business pays no property taxes on said capital.

You can't have a rational discussion with someone lacking in the basic economic realities of taxation rates, rates on capital vs. labor, fairness, etc..

Mega dittos, silly Rabbit.

There’s a reason you didn’t respond to any of my specific points. You’re full of it and need to get personal to distract from the lack of actual knowledge or understanding about the subject. 

We get it, you hate the rich and that you’re a great person. Blah blah blah. You add nothing to the conversation speaking so arrogantly about a subject you don’t understand. You don’t need to turn everything about business and wealth into one of your platitudes. 

[hi8is]

It’s going to be a long off-season.

[South Side Hit Men]

16 minutes ago, raBBit said:

There’s a reason you didn’t respond to any of my specific points. You’re full of it and need to get personal to distract from the lack of actual knowledge or understanding about the subject. 

We get it, you hate the rich and that you’re a great person. Blah blah blah. You add nothing to the conversation speaking so arrogantly about a subject you don’t understand. You don’t need to turn everything about business and wealth into one of your platitudes. 

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, your hissy fit speaks loudly, Apparently your reading comprehension is as lacking as your knowledge of economics. 

Have a good day.

[hi8is]

It’s going to be a long off-season.

[tray]

 All of us, including sports fans have been through enough with the pandemic the past few years so the Owners and Players  need to settle up and  get back to  the normal business of baseball.

[whitesoxwinner]

what happens if the lockout lasts until june? Im assuming they would give teams enough time to make moves to the start of "pre season" (usually known as spring training). This ix completely unprecedented to me

[South Side Hit Men]

14 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said:

what happens if the lockout lasts until june? Im assuming they would give teams enough time to make moves to the start of "pre season" (usually known as spring training). This ix completely unprecedented to me

Owners locked out players until July 23 last year. The Owners primarily care about the playoffs, everyone with a cable bill still pays carriage fees to the Owners for their RSNs and MLB Channel showing whatever whether there are games or not, and they'll also get reduced advertising for their replacement fishing, poker, talking heads shows, reruns of prior games, etc.. Not paying players covers any losses from the national TV contracts.

COVID allowed owners to short play their 2020 Spring Training leases, but they would likely have to have financial compensation/concessions to Arizona/Florida governments to avoid attempting ST in ridiculous Summer desert/swamp conditions.

At some point, a court may order Owners to begin negotiating, as is what happened in March 1995, when Judge Sonya Sotomayor saved baseball and ordered MLB Owners to send their scab players home and play baseball with actual Major League Players. Games started later in April 1995 to allow a haphazard partial spring training, played under the previous CBA terms. The final deal wasn't signed until after the 1996 season, two seasons after Sonya Sotomayor's ruling.

Owners could continue negotiating with the MLB Players Association just as they had over the course of two seasons (1995-1996) until a new deal is reached. However, MLB Owners have ZERO intentions to begin negotiating in good faith unless ordered by a Federal judge or reaching a stage where the players give them nearly everything they demand.

By then Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor, who saved MLB as a district judge in 1995 by striking down Owner Bud Selig's scab player scheme, is escorted by Jorge Posada to throw out the first pitch at Yankees Stadium September 26, 2009,

Yankees fans hold racist tomahawks gavels to honor Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor, September 26, 2009.

 

 

[ron883]

On 12/2/2021 at 3:21 PM, South Side Hit Men said:

The difference being Owner Lockout is the current situation. There would be no “work stoppage” without an owner lockout.

Thousands of collectively bargained agreements expire, and both sides continue under the status quo until a final agreement is reached.

The Chicago Police Department’s  contract with the city expired years ago, yet there is no “work stoppage”.

The site can choose to be accurate, or it can promote owner propaganda, as though a “work stoppage” just naturally occurred and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

NOBODY here is more disgusted by this work stoppage than you are. In fact, nobody else here is disgusted enough. That in itself is absolutely disgusting. I've reported each and every person here who has perpetrated any falsehoods regarding the lockout. 

[whitesoxwinner]

2 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Owners locked out players until July 23 last year. The Owners primarily care about the playoffs, everyone with a cable bill still pays carriage fees to the Owners for their RSNs and MLB Channel showing whatever whether there are games or not, and they'll also get reduced advertising for their replacement fishing, poker, talking heads shows, reruns of prior games, etc.. Not paying players covers any losses from the national TV contracts.

COVID allowed owners to short play their 2020 Spring Training leases, but they would likely have to have financial compensation/concessions to Arizona/Florida governments to avoid attempting ST in ridiculous Summer desert/swamp conditions.

At some point, a court may order Owners to begin negotiating, as is what happened in March 1995, when Judge Sonya Sotomayor saved baseball and ordered MLB Owners to send their scab players home and play baseball with actual Major League Players. Games started later in April 1995 to allow a haphazard partial spring training, played under the previous CBA terms. The final deal wasn't signed until after the 1996 season, two seasons after Sonya Sotomayor's ruling.

Owners could continue negotiating with the MLB Players Association just as they had over the course of two seasons (1995-1996) until a new deal is reached. However, MLB Owners have ZERO intentions to begin negotiating in good faith unless ordered by a Federal judge or reaching a stage where the players give them nearly everything they demand.

By then Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor, who saved MLB as a district judge in 1995 by striking down Owner Bud Selig's scab player scheme, is escorted by Jorge Posada to throw out the first pitch at Yankees Stadium September 26, 2009,

Yankees fans hold racist tomahawks gavels to honor Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor, September 26, 2009.

 

 

Great information that i appreciate hit men. So in worst case scenario (which is a complete possibility at this point), waiting to make the moves that fill the needs of the ballclub is a mistake, because we will have no time to make those moves (if it gets to this point of course). The worst thing that could happen to us is ending the lockout in like june and starting the regular season a few weeks from there. Would give us no time to fill our holes

[South Side Hit Men]

18 minutes ago, ron883 said:

NOBODY here is more disgusted by this work stoppage than you are. In fact, nobody else here is disgusted enough. That in itself is absolutely disgusting. I've reported each and every person here who has perpetrated any falsehoods regarding the lockout. 

Yes, for me to post Yankees pictures and footage, it is not a good time to be a baseball fan. 

Wait til next, next year!

11 minutes ago, whitesoxwinner said:

Great information that i appreciate hit men. So in worst case scenario (which is a complete possibility at this point), waiting to make the moves that fill the needs of the ballclub is a mistake, because we will have no time to make those moves (if it gets to this point of course). The worst thing that could happen to us is ending the lockout in like june and starting the regular season a few weeks from there. Would give us no time to fill our holes

Yes, it is in the teams and players best interest to conclude the offseason as orderly as possible. It should go something like the last two weeks, a flurry of deals, but this time with trades as well.

I am hopeful this can get wrapped up before the end of February, and the regular season can begin before the end of April. I don't expect much progress for another several weeks, but at some point, either serious negotiations will occur or the players will go to the NLRB to defend their labor rights.

From what I read, Owners have to fulfill a six week Spring Training to abide by their agreements covering most of their AZ/FLA ST stadium leases, so it will likely be a longer ST than the impromptu truncated STs conducted in April 1995 or July 2020.

Edited December 4, 2021 by South Side Hit Men

[Chimpton]

5 hours ago, hi8is said:

It’s going to be a long off-season.

Even if Spring Training starts on time it will be a long off season!

[pcq]

8 hours ago, hi8is said:

It’s going to be a long off-season.

It's up to Soxtalk to bring the greedy players and pig owners together. 

[raBBit]

10 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, your hissy fit speaks loudly, Apparently your reading comprehension is as lacking as your knowledge of economics. 

Have a good day.

Just explain how owners have negative tax rates. No changing the subject or name calling. Just substantiate the stuff that you’re pretty clearly making up. Use a source for released tax records. Use a source for how you would calculate a negative tax rate for a billionaire. Do anything else and it’s clear you’re making stuff up. 

[chitownsportsfan]

Reddit and twitter level discourse. Cya guys whenever the business of baseball starts again. Oof.

[hi8is]

6 hours ago, Chimpton said:

Even if Spring Training starts on time it will be a long off season!

It’s at least usually filled by fun milestones… like if it wasn’t for the damned lockout we’d have the winter meetings to look forward to on Monday or sometime around there.

[South Side Hit Men]

2 hours ago, raBBit said:

Just explain how owners have negative tax rates. No changing the subject or name calling. Just substantiate the stuff that you’re pretty clearly making up. Use a source for released tax records. Use a source for how you would calculate a negative tax rate for a billionaire. Do anything else and it’s clear you’re making stuff up. 

Since it is quite clear you are desperate for an exchange, disclose your author name for Future Sox, to allow posters here to determine whether your articles are worth reading, and I will provide a response to this post.

Still waiting for your first post in this exchange, perhaps any exchange you've had on SoxTalk, that does not involve "name calling".

[hi8is]

18 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Since it is quite clear you are desperate for an exchange, disclose your author name for Future Sox, to allow posters here to determine whether your articles are worth reading, and I will provide a response to this post.

Still waiting for your first post in this exchange, perhaps any exchange you've had on SoxTalk, that does not involve "name calling".

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[Kyyle23]

Also 🤦 lol

[Springfield Soxfan]

Does the lockout delay International signings like Colas?

[Texsox]

Comrade!