wegner Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 6 hours ago, hi8is said: Hello 140 character limit language. Is that from that Tweetle app I've been hearing about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Yeah that hahn interview was more direct than usual from Hahn re: Kimbrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Something that has not been discussed on this board that everyone needs to take into account as it became glaring in the post season was how beat down starting pitching was because of the short 2020 season. This may have played a role in Kimbrel's tapering off who knows. The White Sox tried to mitigate this but were unsuccessful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, aeichhor said: Dave Dombrowski does love his trades....what can we get back?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, wegner said: Dave Dombrowski does love his trades....what can we get back?? A NFT Hahn has been eyeing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 34 minutes ago, wegner said: Dave Dombrowski does love his trades....what can we get back?? Maybe the Phillie Phanatic to pair with Southpaw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: Maybe the Phillie Phanatic to pair with Southpaw? I might be interested.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) Kimbrel and ______ (you fill it in) from WSox for Phillies top 3 prospects. https://www.philliesnation.com/2021/09/phillies-nation-top-20-phillies-prospects-september-2021/ . Edited November 19, 2021 by tray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Kimbrel for Segura is as obvious of a trade as it gets, if the Phillies are willing to deal from their big league roster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I’d take that Harper contract of their hands…. 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, maxjusttyped said: Kimbrel for Segura is as obvious of a trade as it gets, if the Phillies are willing to deal from their big league roster. I don't know about obvious...but an interesting name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Garrette Stubbs is a good defensive catcher picked up today by the Phillies. Good framing and 40+% caught stealing. Get him included with any deal with Philadelphia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Kimbrel for Segura is as obvious of a trade as it gets, if the Phillies are willing to deal from their big league roster. The inevitable Kimbrel trade taking out one huge 2022 hole/need with authority sounds too good to be true. If this is in realm of possible, I am guessing we would need to include a prospect or two. If they are looking for something major league ready, I wonder if they’d have any interest in Jake Burger to challenge Bohm at 3B while providing power off the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Kimbrel for Segura is as obvious of a trade as it gets, if the Phillies are willing to deal from their big league roster. While it makes sense, it doesn't help the Sox save any money. $15.25M vs $16M. At that point you should have just picked up Cesar's option and saved $9M, as Cesar and Segura have put up similar numbers over the last few years, except Segura only bats righty.🤷 Edited November 20, 2021 by ChiliIrishHammock24 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 43 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: While it makes sense, it doesn't help the Sox save any money. $15.25M vs $16M. At that point you should have just picked up Cesar's option and saved $9M, as Cesar and Segura have put up similar numbers over the last few years, except Segura only bats righty.🤷 If Cesar is a better player/hitter than Segura next season, I wouldn't be surprised. There's a worthy conversation to be had on if it's rational for the Sox to flip from acquiring Kimbrel/Cesar to be 2 year solutions and then bailing on it because of 2 bad months. At least in Cesar's case, the Sox could probably bring him back for cheaper than his option price. But hopefully they're aiming higher at 2B and that should have been the plan all along anyways. But I think there's a lot of value in Segura's ability to play a passable SS. Cesar obviously doesn't give you that, and I don't think there's anyone in the organization currently that would project to be above replacement level at SS aside from TA. Even in the best case scenario, it seems like Tim is capped at around 140 games because the Sox give him so many maintenance days during the season. He's been on the IL 3 straight years with various soft tissue injuries. The Sox have to be ready to play a chunk of their season without him next year, whether that's because a soft tissue injury flares up again, or the number of days off he'll naturally get throughout the course of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: While it makes sense, it doesn't help the Sox save any money. $15.25M vs $16M. At that point you should have just picked up Cesar's option and saved $9M, as Cesar and Segura have put up similar numbers over the last few years, except Segura only bats righty.🤷 I’d rather spend $10M on Eduardo Escobar than trade Kimbrel for Segura. Both are very similar players, but Escobar provides much more power while Segura offer superior on-base abilities. Ultimately if I’m looking to add a 9th place hitter to this lineup, I’d rather have the guy who can run into 25 bombs than a guy who gets on base more frequently, especially if it saves me $4M in the process. And Rick specifically mentioned power as something they would need to continue adding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I agree with you guys on not really wanting Segura. I'm not saying he's overpaid, but his salary would probably restrict the Sox ability to fill out the pen, RF and hopefully acquire/sign a TOR starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Alright, if you were a GM and in desperate need of a closer, who would you rather have? Player A: 70.0 IP | 13.2 K/9 | 2.83 FIP | 97th % xwOBA | 2.0 fWAR | 2.62 High Lev FIP Player B: 59.2 IP | 15.1 K/9 | 2.43 FIP | 98th % xwOBA | 2.2 fWAR | 0.74 High Lev FIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Alright, if you were a GM and in desperate need of a closer, who would you rather have? Player A: 70.0 IP | 13.2 K/9 | 2.83 FIP | 97th % xwOBA | 2.0 fWAR | 2.62 High Lev FIP Player B: 59.2 IP | 15.1 K/9 | 2.43 FIP | 98th % xwOBA | 2.2 fWAR | 0.74 High Lev FIP b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Alright, if you were a GM and in desperate need of a closer, who would you rather have? Player A: 70.0 IP | 13.2 K/9 | 2.83 FIP | 97th % xwOBA | 2.0 fWAR | 2.62 High Lev FIP Player B: 59.2 IP | 15.1 K/9 | 2.43 FIP | 98th % xwOBA | 2.2 fWAR | 0.74 High Lev FIP Raisel Iglesias over second half Craig Kimbrel. Kimbrel was worth 0.0 fWAR to the White Sox, all of that value accrued to his time with the Cubs. And their respective ages are somewhat germane, as Iglesias will end up signing a 3-4 year deal with someone. Edited November 20, 2021 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Raisel Iglesias over second half Craig Kimbrel. Kimbrel was worth 0.0 fWAR to the White Sox, all of that value accrued to his time with the Cubs. And their respective ages are somewhat germane, as Iglesias will end up signing a 3-4 year deal with someone. You're so smart caulfield! Gotta let everybody know you figured it out! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Raisel Iglesias over second half Craig Kimbrel. Kimbrel was worth 0.0 fWAR to the White Sox, all of that value accrued to his time with the Cubs. And their respective ages are somewhat germane, as Iglesias will end up signing a 3-4 year deal with someone. Remember, only his value with the White Sox counts right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Depends a lot on how much salary the Sox are eating. If the Sox eat nothing they don't get much but if the Sox eat some salary there could be a nice return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Alright, if you were a GM and in desperate need of a closer, who would you rather have? Player A: 70.0 IP | 13.2 K/9 | 2.83 FIP | 97th % xwOBA | 2.0 fWAR | 2.62 High Lev FIP Player B: 59.2 IP | 15.1 K/9 | 2.43 FIP | 98th % xwOBA | 2.2 fWAR | 0.74 High Lev FIP Player B is also on a one year deal at market rate and doesn't require you giving up a draft pick. I think that part is very important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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