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CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: It doesn't seem odd, It's Jerry's MO. No long term commitment, big name, etc. In the way I mentioned and the poster I agreed with it does seem odd. In the way you stated it doesn't. But if it's Jerry's MO can you name another time he paid top dollar for an ancient starting pitcher who hasn't pitched in 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Do you think it's possible they can dump Keuchel? Yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Does seem odd. Turns 39 in Feb. Basically same status as Rodon was when Sox signed him with 6 IP in last 2 years. Rodon never came close to the track record of JV but then again he was 11 years younger. Would be hard to justify signing JV if he cant appear in the post season for the kind of money he'll get. Verlander has had a long career of pretty good health, even including his recent surgery. Dude is pushing 3000 innings in essentially 15 years of baseball at the MLB level. That is pretty nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: It doesn't seem odd, It's Jerry's MO. No long term commitment, big name, etc. I think it's strange when you consider the context of the Sox not offering the QO to Rodon which he almost certainly would have declined anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, maxjusttyped said: I think it's strange when you consider the context of the Sox not offering the QO to Rodon which he almost certainly would have declined anyways. Not really. They have a plan and didn't want to risk blowing it up by offering $18M to an injury waiting to happen so they could draft the 75th best player in this years draft. That would have been really really stupid. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, Harold's Leg Lift said: Not really. They have a plan and didn't want to risk blowing it up by offering $18M to an injury waiting to happen so they could draft the 75th best player in this years draft. That would have been really really stupid. Agreed, it seems a case where they just didn’t want to get stuck with him again at at a big number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Not really. They have a plan and didn't want to risk blowing it up by offering $18M to an injury waiting to happen so they could draft the 75th best player in this years draft. That would have been really really stupid. When players with legitimate question marks or that aren't star level players like Syndergaard, Verlander (presumably), Iglesias, Chris Taylor, Conforto etc are turning down the QO I think that's a pretty clear indication that Rodon would have as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, fathom said: Agreed, it seems a case where they just didn’t want to get stuck with him again at at a big number Even if they have legitimate reasons to be spooked about Rodon, he's coming off a season where he was clearly the best pitcher on a staff with 2 other CY candidates on it as well. If you get "stuck" with that guy on a 1 year deal that doesn't seem like the worst outcome to me. Especially if they're already budgeting for a high AAV starter like Verlander to replace him anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said: Even if they have legitimate reasons to be spooked about Rodon, he's coming off a season where he was clearly the best pitcher on a staff with 2 other CY candidates on it as well. If you get "stuck" with that guy on a 1 year deal that doesn't seem like the worst outcome to me. Especially if they're already budgeting for a high AAV starter like Verlander to replace him anyways. Not if you think his arm/shoulder is shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, Bunt Ritual said: so the list of possible suspects is Jake Arrieta, Corey Kluber and Max Scherzer. 🤔 Kershaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, fathom said: Not if you think his arm/shoulder is shot What's the track record for 39 year olds coming off TJS? I don't want this to come across like I'm arguing against signing Verlander, because I'm not. But the questions with him are as legitimate as they are with Rodon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: When players with legitimate question marks or that aren't star level players like Syndergaard, Verlander (presumably), Iglesias, Chris Taylor, Conforto etc are turning down the QO I think that's a pretty clear indication that Rodon would have as well. I agree. I think it's fine they did what they did, but there are risks to everything and it's pretty clear this would have paid off fine. I would say similar risk that Rodon declined the QO as that they can trade Kimbrel. I don't mind what they did, but let's not act like it's whackadoodle to get some value back. We haven't signed shit anyway and the deadline is what, tomorrow? It wouldn't have been some huge wrench in our plans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: Even if they have legitimate reasons to be spooked about Rodon, he's coming off a season where he was clearly the best pitcher on a staff with 2 other CY candidates on it as well. If you get "stuck" with that guy on a 1 year deal that doesn't seem like the worst outcome to me. Especially if they're already budgeting for a high AAV starter like Verlander to replace him anyways. Did you just close your eyes the entire 2nd half of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, SleepyWhiteSox said: Did you just close your eyes the entire 2nd half of the season? Verlander, Syndegaard were awesome last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Max is the only one that makes sense at the front of the rotation. Klu makes sense towards the back. Jake makes sense for maybe Charlotte. This - I think they are going to take a serious swing at Max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, bmags said: Verlander, Syndegaard were awesome last year. Elbows and shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maxjusttyped Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, SleepyWhiteSox said: Did you just close your eyes the entire 2nd half of the season? Carlos Rodon's 2nd half numbers: 2.51 ERA/3.26 FIP 31.6% K rate 5.7% BB rate. Those are CY caliber numbers if you prorate them over a full season. I'm not advocating for signing Rodon to a 5 year extension or anything like that. All I'm saying is the Sox should have extended him a QO offer (which he almost certainly would have rejected) and if they ended up with him on a 1 year deal at 18M that wouldn't be a bad outcome either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Elbows and shoulders. What percentage likely do you think it was that Rodon accepts the QO. Cause I'd say 5-10%. No one wants to take a one year deal with a potential work stoppage, least of all a guy that hasn't gotten paid yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Id love verlander, but i put a 0.001% chance on it that the wsox get him. I think our interest stops after we realize it will be a contract longer than one year. id much prefer using the money to sign stroman to a 5 year deal. That guy has tim anderson esque flair on the mound and continues to recreate himself as a stud sp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Just now, iWiN4PreP said: Id love verlander, but i put a 0.001% chance on it that the wsox get him. I think our interest stops after we realize it will be a contract longer than one year. id much prefer using the money to sign stroman to a 5 year deal. That guy has tim anderson esque flair on the mound and continues to recreate himself as a stud sp. Stroman isn't coming here with our current manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, bmags said: What percentage likely do you think it was that Rodon accepts the QO. Cause I'd say 5-10%. No one wants to take a one year deal with a potential work stoppage, least of all a guy that hasn't gotten paid yet. My guess is that the White Sox thought he would take the QO and that is why they did not offer it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, iWiN4PreP said: Id love verlander, but i put a 0.001% chance on it that the wsox get him. I think our interest stops after we realize it will be a contract longer than one year. id much prefer using the money to sign stroman to a 5 year deal. That guy has tim anderson esque flair on the mound and continues to recreate himself as a stud sp. I think Stroman would be good, but yeah, doubt he ever comes back after last year. Sorta feel like a Toronto reunion is gonna happen. Also his twitter feed is, unfortunately, bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, iWiN4PreP said: Id love verlander, but i put a 0.001% chance on it that the wsox get him. I think our interest stops after we realize it will be a contract longer than one year. id much prefer using the money to sign stroman to a 5 year deal. That guy has tim anderson esque flair on the mound and continues to recreate himself as a stud sp. I think a Stroman signing can be ruled out, unfortunately. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/free-agent-marcus-stroman-says-no-amount-of-money-would-get-him-to-play-for-white-soxs-tony-la-russa/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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