MackowiakYakYak Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) Payroll dedicated to bullpen arms with contracts above $1m AAV by 2021's Top 10 Teams by winning percentage: Giants: $3m on 2 players Dodgers: $45.12m on 7 players Rays: $2.95m on 2 players Astros: $18.6m on 5 players Brewers: $3.76m on 3 players White Sox: $29.69m on 5 players Yankees: $35.3m on 6 players Red Sox: $29.45m on 6 players Blue Jays: $13.44m on 5 players Cardinals: $12m on 1 player All data according to Spotrac 2021 data. Only included pitchers earning >$1m for simplicity. Includes pitchers listed as RP by the website whether active, IL, or retained salary. All data also done by hand. Decent chance I messed something up. Edited November 24, 2021 by MackowiakYakYak 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackowiakYakYak Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) Above teams sorted from highest bullpen payroll to lowest. Number is the league ranking of bullpen fWAR Dodgers ($45m) 5th in bullpen fWAR Yankees ($35m) 3rd White Sox ($29m) 2nd Red Sox ($29m) 9th Astros ($18m) 14th Blue Jays ($13m) 25th Cardinals ($12m) 11th Brewers ($3.75m) 15th Giants ($3m) 6th Rays ($3m) 1st Edited November 24, 2021 by MackowiakYakYak 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Oh fuck yes. I was out all day doing family stuff and didn’t look here all day. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 The only lefties in the pen are Bummer and Crochet. I’d like the team to sign one as a NRI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 8 hours ago, ron883 said: This offseason is absolutely amazing. I'm beyond pleased with this team. Kisses for everybody. Who are you and what have you done with @ron883? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: The only lefties in the pen are Bummer and Crochet. I’d like the team to sign one as a NRI. Severino & Sousa are also on the 40 man roster and we’re prioritized over Jace Fry for whatever that’s worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 So, do the Sox leave him off the playoff roster if they face Toronto, or use him aggressively during home games and hope for the best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 25 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: So, do the Sox leave him off the playoff roster if they face Toronto, or use him aggressively during home games and hope for the best? I don’t know but I hope Canada holds firm on their decision to not let unvaccinated people into their country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 6 hours ago, MackowiakYakYak said: Payroll dedicated to bullpen arms with contracts above $1m AAV by 2021's Top 10 Teams by winning percentage: Giants: $3m on 2 players Dodgers: $45.12m on 7 players Rays: $2.95m on 2 players Astros: $18.6m on 5 players Brewers: $3.76m on 3 players White Sox: $29.69m on 5 players Yankees: $35.3m on 6 players Red Sox: $29.45m on 6 players Blue Jays: $13.44m on 5 players Cardinals: $12m on 1 player All data according to Spotrac 2021 data. Only included pitchers earning >$1m for simplicity. Includes pitchers listed as RP by the website whether active, IL, or retained salary. All data also done by hand. Decent chance I messed something up. Assuming you went by end of season rosters, so Kimbrel was $5.3 million and Tepera at $266,667. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 9 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Tepera is a free agent. Kopech is going to the rotation. Kimbrel is halfway out the door. There is a HUGE hole in the pen even with Graverman. I hope and assume Tepera is still on the shopping list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 The Sox sure had trouble with outs 22-24 last season...hope Graveman is the answer to that problem with an occasional Bummer thrown in of course. I am very happy to see them spending early on a need but I am leery to ever get too excited about bullpens since those arms can be such a crapshoot from year to year. Hell it is very possible that Kimbrel bounces back nicely next season but I can't see the Sox keeping him since they need to spend his $$ elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, chetkincaid said: I don’t know but I hope Canada holds firm on their decision to not let unvaccinated people into their country. Well they do have criteria for exemptions (food and processing workers, marine crew members, those entering on compassionate grounds, etc.) just as there are permits and waivers to allow Tony La Russa and others with DUI arrests into the country. Kendall Graveman missed 19 days last season due to COVID protocols, and there was a significant COVID outbreak at that time which impacted their bullpen. Seattle missed the playoffs by a single game. Fans now have to hope a similar outbreak doesn't occur with the White Sox with Graveman in the mix. Perhaps MLB and the Players Union will negotiate a vaccine requirement into the new CBA. The NBA (under 5%) and NHL (4 total players) have nearly vaccinated all player and travel personnel, whereas MLB's threshold target has been 85% to date entering into the CBA negotiations, with no player mandate. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 For the people skeptical of Graveman, a couple things worth pointing out: The velocity of his sinker has jumped up ~3 MPH as a reliever He’s completely removed his cutter as @bmags alluded to He’s throwing a much different slider now (7 to 8 MPH harder) He’s utilizing this new, harder slider significantly more now He’s generating far more whiffs with this new, harder slider This harder slider has enhanced the value of his 96 MPH sinker To see just how nasty this sinker/slider combo is, take a look at the video below: Honestly, it’s pretty clear he’s a different pitcher now and I think he’s here to stay, even if there is going to be some regression on the ERA side of things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: Well they do have criteria for exemptions (food and processing workers, marine crew members, those entering on compassionate grounds, etc.) just as there are permits and waivers to allow Tony La Russa and others with DUI arrests into the country. Kendall Graveman missed 19 days last season due to COVID protocols, and there was a significant COVID outbreak at that time which impacted their bullpen. Seattle missed the playoffs by a single game. Fans now have to hope a similar outbreak doesn't occur with the White Sox with Graveman in the mix. Perhaps MLB and the Players Union will negotiate a vaccine requirement into the new CBA. The NBA (under 5%) and NHL (4 total players) have nearly vaccinated all player and travel personnel, whereas MLB's threshold target has been 85% to date entering into the CBA negotiations, with no player mandate. Way to work Tony's DUI into the post. I had butterscotch pancakes for breakfast, I bet Tony would say hold the butter. Lol. Let's all play the game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 I had lots of coffee, TLR used the last of the creamer 😢 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Hoping there are $1million buyouts on years 2-3. Nothing personal, but 1 year doesn't make this guy a sure thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Texsox said: Way to work Tony's DUI into the post. I had butterscotch pancakes for breakfast, I bet Tony would say hold the butter. Lol. Let's all play the game. Well, we are discussing exemptions to Canada's entry requirements, Tony germane. Edited November 24, 2021 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 this guy is unvaxxed...? Good, Good, the puns will continue to flow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Tepera is a free agent. Kopech is going to the rotation. Kimbrel is halfway out the door. There is a HUGE hole in the pen even with Graverman. And they need to cover the bottom pen spots internally/scrap-heap because they have far bigger holes in SP (Keuchel is one of the 5 and they have no depth), 2B and RF. Perhaps they can take a Giants approach to the pen and look for command over Ks for the bottom spots. Edited November 24, 2021 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, GreenSox said: And they need to cover the bottom pen spots internally/scrap-heap because they have far bigger holes in SP (Keuchel is one of the 5 and they have no depth), 2B and RF. Perhaps they can take a Giants approach to the pen and look for command over Ks for the bottom spots. Good thing the off-season isn't over huh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 47 minutes ago, zisk said: Hoping there are $1million buyouts on years 2-3. Nothing personal, but 1 year doesn't make this guy a sure thing. Hope springs eternal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Bullpen as it stands, if we assume Kimbrel gone: Hendriks Graveman Bummer Crochet Ruiz Lopez Foster Bilous Burr Severino Lambert Bold I think are locks. The rest are competition. Severino, Bilous may be closer and more productive than we expected in November. Ideas for relief: With a return to a 93 mph fastball, he may still find starting. But, I think approaching Folty on a switch to bullpen and a move to Sinker/Slider vs. his absolutely obliterated 4 seamer could be the potentials of a new bullpen stud. Or he'll suck. Probably will know his options late. Aaron Sanchez - at this point he just continues to get crushed under the workload, and his Curve/FB/Sinker all have tremendous break - an area I think Katz did well in addressing. Also - opener potential. Incredible name alert: JD Hammer - 94 mph fastball, above avg dropping slider. Cool glasses. Other than that probably better options. Oldies - squeeze that pulp : Bryan Shaw - Cleveland is much smarter than me, but his stuff feels like his use of the cutter SO exclusively is underrating what he gets from his curve, slider. I unno. Brandon Kintzler - I just don't think the Phillies pitchers are used well. He's old as hell and probably just sucks now, but he was a decent reliever with Cubs, Marlins then sucked as for some reason the Phillies upped his extremely meh 4 seamer. Blake Parker - I like split finger pitchers, always have always will Yusmeiro Petit - excellent control, and maybe a normal offseason after a normal year gets one more year. Nice stuff on his cutter still. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, chetkincaid said: I don’t know but I hope Canada holds firm on their decision to not let unvaccinated people into their country. We should do what Australia is doing. It's working for them. Edited November 24, 2021 by Squirmin' for Yermin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: I had lots of coffee, TLR used the last of the creamer 😢 😡 dairy or non? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 Just now, joesaiditstrue said: dairy or non? It doesn't matter he chugged it all and left. Kicked a puppy on the way out too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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