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Javy Baez Signs 6YR 140M Deal with Tigers - Morosi

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I know many hate on Baez here - but 3 out of last 4 years 4.5 WAR or better and they are getting at least 4 prime years in that 6 year window (28-32 by my random definition). Tigers got better here as long as they can contain him.  

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2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I know many hate on Baez here - but 3 out of last 4 years 4.5 WAR or better and they are getting at least 4 prime years in that 6 year window (28-32 by my random definition). Tigers got better here as long as they can contain him.  

6 years… this might be one of the first position player contracts that is for an appropriate length.

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12 minutes ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

Hahaha yessssss. Much rather have the Tigers blow their wad on a streaky up-and-down bat like Baez than get someone like Correa.

Look what the wind blew in!

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19 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said:

I hate this off-season 

We’re not used to having a good team.

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7 minutes ago, hi8is said:

We’re not used to having a good team.

I’d really like a great team. 

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39 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said:

I’d really like a great team. 

Me too brother - keep the faith.

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1 hour ago, hi8is said:

We’re not used to being satisfied/merely content having a good team.

Thank god it isn’t Correa.

Now where does he go now?

 

Baddoo, Baez, Greene, Torkelson, Cabrera, Candelario, Schoop, Barnhart, Grossman

ERod, Mize, Skubal, Manning, Alexander/Fulmer

 

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Hours later and still no discussion of money. My guess would be 6/145 or so. I'm assuming Detroit had to pay a pretty steep tax to get him to play there instead of NY.

I'm far more concerned about the Tigers than anyone else in the central. After they went 8-19 in April, they were 69-66. Replacing Urena with E-Rod and Goodrum with Baez is a big improvement. Who knows how ready Torkelson is, but he'll very likely be a step up over a 39-year-old Miggy.

They still have plenty of room to add another few impact players and also have guys like Skubal that could break out. They have one of the best managers in the league IMO and are two years away from being done with paying Miggy 32M a year.

The Tigers only have four players on the payroll for 2023 that wont be an ARB or Pre_Arb Player (Baez, E-Rod, Miggy, and Schoop). The only players entering FA that year will be Grossman, Barnhardt, and Fulmer. If they were to bring their payroll up to the Sox budget they could add another TOR starter, Impact Bat, +++.

Of course, you trade the Tigers 40-man for the White Sox 40-man any day of the week. But the talent gap is tightening and TLR will have to tighten things up this year. The cakewalk may be over in the ALC

 

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“Detroit has spent most of the past five years in a prolonged rebuilding effort but has managed to stockpile an enviable farm system that now leaves the team on the precipice of turning the corner. Young starters Casey Mize, Tarik Skubal and Matt Manning will be expected to team with Rodriguez in leading the starting staff, while 2020 No. 1 overall pick Spencer Torkelson and 2019 No. 5 overall pick Riley Greene are both viewed as top-10 leaguewide prospects and potential lineup anchors.

That blossoming young core makes it easy for Detroit, a team that has previously trotted out Opening Day payrolls north of $200MM, to spend heavily in free agency this winter. Miguel Cabrera is signed through the 2023 season, but the only player on the books beyond that point is the aforementioned Rodriguez. Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez projects a $104MM payroll without Baez next season, and that’s before the likely non-tender of Matthew Boyd and his $7.3MM projected salary (courtesy of MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz).

With that in mind, even if this is the last marquee move of the offseason for the Tigers — and, to be clear, there’s no indication that’s the case — the additions of Baez and Rodriguez clearly set the stage for a return to aggressive adding in Detroit. The Tigers will have one more high-end draft pick in 2022, but the goal for the team is clearly to shift into win-now mode, and the additions of both Baez and Rodriguez are notable steps in that direction. Baez has averaged a hefty 4.6 wins above replacement (per Baseball-Reference) per season over the past four years, even including that ugly 2020 campaign, and the Tigers will count on him for more of the same as a linchpin both in the lineup and on defense as they turn the page from a rebuild the fans are all too ready to leave in the rear-view mirror.”

 

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6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

“Detroit has spent most of the past five years in a prolonged rebuilding effort but has managed to stockpile an enviable farm system that now leaves the team on the precipice of turning the corner. Young starters Casey Mize, Tarik Skubal and Matt Manning will be expected to team with Rodriguez in leading the starting staff, while 2020 No. 1 overall pick Spencer Torkelson and 2019 No. 5 overall pick Riley Greene are both viewed as top-10 leaguewide prospects and potential lineup anchors.

That blossoming young core makes it easy for Detroit, a team that has previously trotted out Opening Day payrolls north of $200MM, to spend heavily in free agency this winter. Miguel Cabrera is signed through the 2023 season, but the only player on the books beyond that point is the aforementioned Rodriguez. Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez projects a $104MM payroll without Baez next season, and that’s before the likely non-tender of Matthew Boyd and his $7.3MM projected salary (courtesy of MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz).

With that in mind, even if this is the last marquee move of the offseason for the Tigers — and, to be clear, there’s no indication that’s the case — the additions of Baez and Rodriguez clearly set the stage for a return to aggressive adding in Detroit. The Tigers will have one more high-end draft pick in 2022, but the goal for the team is clearly to shift into win-now mode, and the additions of both Baez and Rodriguez are notable steps in that direction. Baez has averaged a hefty 4.6 wins above replacement (per Baseball-Reference) per season over the past four years, even including that ugly 2020 campaign, and the Tigers will count on him for more of the same as a linchpin both in the lineup and on defense as they turn the page from a rebuild the fans are all too ready to leave in the rear-view mirror.”

 

mlbtraderumors.com

well shit, I couldve saved myself some time...

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Obviously a good player but for someone whose offensive value is tied to slugging … not a great fit in DET.

 

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13 minutes ago, bmags said:

Obviously a good player but for someone whose offensive value is tied to slugging … not a great fit in DET.

 

FWIW, 58 of his 68 (85%) homers in the last 3 years would have been out at Comerica. All of his 189 Ks last year would also play at that park. For comparison, 42 of Eloys 55 (76%) wouldve went out at that park. 

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3 minutes ago, FriendlyNorthsider said:

FWIW, 58 of his 68 (85%) homers in the last 3 years would have been out at Comerica. All of his 189 Ks last year would also play at that park. For comparison, 42 of Eloys 55 (76%) wouldve went out at that park. 

15%worse  is an issue when it’s your only plus offensive skill

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3 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

 

 

Even better. Curious to see the total money amount. Javy is a guy that can carry your team but he also can burry it when his bat goes cold.

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6 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

Hahaha yessssss. Much rather have the Tigers blow their wad on a streaky up-and-down bat like Baez than get someone like Correa.

Yeah funny indeed that the team creeping on us with a ton of talent and plenty of money to spend has signed a very good player at a position of need. They may have blown their wad on him but they spend money. 

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Tigers will compete with our Sox casual cruisers. Tony has no mojo for modern strategy. 

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Should change title to seven years instead of six.

Baez 28, Conforto 29, so likely now six for for Conforto.

 

Our seat at the party is simply 14.3% smaller than everyone else’s.

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