GreenSox Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Nada for the Sox; not a surprise, I suppose. Sox choice. Astros also score a zip. All other AL Central teams have 2 in the top 50 (Tigers 2 in top 5) D Backs top the list with 7, 3 top 50. They've churned out prospects for years; just can't build a team. Dodgers and Pirates with 6; Orioles, Rays, Mets and Giants with 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Seeing all the high ceiling talent they passed on for low ceiling college guys is enough to make you puke. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Riley Greene- I could see .300/.400/.550 seasons here, and if does that in centerfield, he’ll be on the shortlist of candidates for the best player in baseball. Damn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 This morning, he put up a dozen or so "just missed" and the Sox didn't have any of those either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Law said Korey Lee was his #101. I saw him in the fall league and wasn't terribly impressed. He was ok but didn't do anything that jumped out at you like so many others in that league. I did talk to a guy who played with him and he said Lee is one of his favorite teammates ever so I'll be rooting for him. I'm pissed I missed Owen White out there. It sounds like that dude has some serious shit. I saw Ryan Pepiot in college. He had a good change but it sure as hell wasn't an 80. Those Dodgers boy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Ha I didn't notice the Xavier Edwards writeup until someone commented about it on twitter. Edwards has great feel to hit, can play above-average defense at second base, and even added third base to his skill set … but he just hasn’t been able to hit the ball hard enough to profile as more than a fringe regular yet, with exit velocities more in the 86-87 mph range. If you think Nick Madrigal was a top 100 prospect — I did not, for the record, and I stand by that — then Edwards would be one as well, because he hits the ball a bit harder than Madrigal does, and is younger, and a better defender at second. He’s a plus runner who hasn’t had great success on the bases, but the speed does make center field a possibility if he ever changes organizations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 A decade ago, contact was laughed at; now it's a thing. Similarly, pitcher Ks are the thing...or were....I think that is shifting to more command based metric that can measure weak contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Not being able to turn a single non premium pick or cheaper international signing into a top 100 guy pretty much at any point since the rebuild began is brutal. I also have no idea how Law can not ever rank Madrigal inside of his top 100 or just missed yet put Kwan in his just missed column. Normally he isn't into the extreme contact zero power profile regardless of how productive the individual player actually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Ha I didn't notice the Xavier Edwards writeup until someone commented about it on twitter. Edwards has great feel to hit, can play above-average defense at second base, and even added third base to his skill set … but he just hasn’t been able to hit the ball hard enough to profile as more than a fringe regular yet, with exit velocities more in the 86-87 mph range. If you think Nick Madrigal was a top 100 prospect — I did not, for the record, and I stand by that — then Edwards would be one as well, because he hits the ball a bit harder than Madrigal does, and is younger, and a better defender at second. He’s a plus runner who hasn’t had great success on the bases, but the speed does make center field a possibility if he ever changes organizations. Maybe Law has finally come to the correct (imo 🙂) conclusion that the all contact, minimal/zero power, average to plus base running and defense profile is significantly more valuable than he has given it credit for in the past. One of his my biggest gripes with him as an evaluator is him acting as if players with that skillset couldn't be productive or "impact" major leaguers when it's been shown consistently that they can be. It seems odd for him to have an epiphany with Xavier Edwards and Steven Kwan (!!!) of all players though, lol. I remember Eric Longenhagen posted Steven Kwan's exit velo numbers in a FG chat and from what I recall they were actually worse than Madrigal's. He has 20 grade raw power/exit velo/max EV etc. I'm hoping KL goes into more detail about what's caused him to give these 2 players such positive writeups relative to similar prospects of years past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Maybe Law has finally come to the correct (imo 🙂) conclusion that the all contact, minimal/zero power, average to plus base running and defense profile is significantly more valuable than he has given it credit for in the past. One of his my biggest gripes with him as an evaluator is him acting as if players with that skillset couldn't be productive or "impact" major leaguers when it's been shown consistently that they can be. It seems odd for him to have an epiphany with Xavier Edwards and Steven Kwan (!!!) of all players though, lol. I remember Eric Longenhagen posted Steven Kwan's exit velo numbers in a FG chat and from what I recall they were actually worse than Madrigal's. He has 20 grade raw power/exit velo/max EV etc. I'm hoping KL goes into more detail about what's caused him to give these 2 players such positive writeups relative to similar prospects of years past. FanGraphs/Logenhagen usually goes with the 90th percentile exit velo, but yeah I think it was mentioned that it was something like 102/103 for Kwan last year. Kwan also hit 12 HRs last year which is 8 more than Madrigal hit in his minor league career. Kwan's ISO was right around .200 in both AA and AAA last year and Madrigal's .120 last year in MLB was his highest at any level in pro ball. Law does seem skeptical that Kwan can play CF though so I agree with the overall argument that high average, low power LF could be considered a borderline top 100 prospect and a similar player at 2B couldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 11 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Maybe Law has finally come to the correct (imo 🙂) conclusion that the all contact, minimal/zero power, average to plus base running and defense profile is significantly more valuable than he has given it credit for in the past. One of his my biggest gripes with him as an evaluator is him acting as if players with that skillset couldn't be productive or "impact" major leaguers when it's been shown consistently that they can be. It seems odd for him to have an epiphany with Xavier Edwards and Steven Kwan (!!!) of all players though, lol. I remember Eric Longenhagen posted Steven Kwan's exit velo numbers in a FG chat and from what I recall they were actually worse than Madrigal's. He has 20 grade raw power/exit velo/max EV etc. I'm hoping KL goes into more detail about what's caused him to give these 2 players such positive writeups relative to similar prospects of years past. Law ranked Madrigal somewhere in the 100's also. He's been very consistent on his ranking of this type of player. His stance (which I agree with 100%) is there is no path for this type of player to become a star because they lack what many consider the most important tool. Power. Sure they "could" be productive or make an "impact" but it's low production and low impact and low impact players do not belong on a top 100 list. Top 100 lists are for players who have a chance to be stars or high impact players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 12 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Not being able to turn a single non premium pick or cheaper international signing into a top 100 guy pretty much at any point since the rebuild began is brutal. I also have no idea how Law can not ever rank Madrigal inside of his top 100 or just missed yet put Kwan in his just missed column. Normally he isn't into the extreme contact zero power profile regardless of how productive the individual player actually is. It's coming. I think we have a few guys in the system right now who are capable of having a huge impact this year, top of the list is Norge Vera. I would also put Colas and Montgomery on that list. I almost expect them to be top 100 at some point, if not soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Dynasty league. Veen vs Hassell. You can only keep 1. Who do I keep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Veen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 No shock but he has the Sox with worst system in baseball. He does encourage Sox fans to not be mad because it led to them being a contender. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I'm not sure where the Sox rank, but it seems like we've produced a ton of MLB players over the last decade with little fanfare. Most of them just happen to play for other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Dynasty league. Veen vs Hassell. You can only keep 1. Who do I keep? Coors would have me breaking ties in favor of Veen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Just now, maxjusttyped said: Coors would have me breaking ties in favor of Veen Hassell is going to be used as trade bait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, fathom said: Hassell is going to be used as trade bait That would be my guess as well. I can't imagine Padres fans reaction if the rumors about him being used to help salary dump Hosmer's contract ended up coming true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 While the Sox may be deserving of a last place ranking I love that the system is stacked with a lot of guys that can hit 96, 97, 98 on a gun. There's a lot of young guys with some big arms and if we hit on a few we won't care it was a last place ranked system. The beauty of baseball is a last ranked system with a middle ranked dude like Lambert still somehow finds a way to have a solid 10 year MLB career. We might be last, but for a last place system I feel surprisingly optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, mac9001 said: While the Sox may be deserving of a last place ranking I love that the system is stacked with a lot of guys that can hit 96, 97, 98 on a gun. There's a lot of young guys with some big arms and if we hit on a few we won't care it was a last place ranked system. The beauty of baseball is a last ranked system with a middle ranked dude like Lambert still somehow finds a way to have a solid 10 year MLB career. We might be last, but for a last place system I feel surprisingly optimistic. A frustrating thing about the system is that even the Sox version of Lambert is very underwhelming compared to most teams depth SP options. I hope that's an area they aggressively attack once the lockout is lifted. Maybe this is too in the weeds, but Cleveland acquired Tobias Myers from the Rays for essentially nothing. He would have been an upgrade over Lambert/Stiever. Edited February 8, 2022 by maxjusttyped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 8 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: A frustrating thing about the system is that even the Sox version of Lambert is very underwhelming compared to most teams depth SP options. I hope that's an area they aggressively attack once the lockout is lifted. Maybe this is too in the weeds, but Cleveland acquired Tobias Myers from the Rays for essentially nothing. He would have been an upgrade over Lambert/Stiever. Speaking of Cleveland, one of their top pitching prospects is none other than Konnor Pilkington, who put up great numbers last year. He is on their 40-man roster. Can't remember who we got for him.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Law has his White Sox Top 20 prospects up and running Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 8:47 AM, oldsox said: Speaking of Cleveland, one of their top pitching prospects is none other than Konnor Pilkington, who put up great numbers last year. He is on their 40-man roster. Can't remember who we got for him.... I really liked Pilkington and was bummed we traded him (then REALLY bummed when Hernandez sucked), but on whose list is he a top prospect? He's not on Law's Top 20 or Pipeline's Top 30. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Interesting he said he didin't see Cespedes throw good in the AFL. I saw the same damn thing. I don't know why he brought up Montgomery and Kath's performance in the AZL. It's an irrelevant sample size in their overall evaluation. He's higher on Romy than I would have thought. Jared Kelley. Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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