caulfield12 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It does scare me that their window to spend any Kimbrel savings could close very quickly with a couple of key signings. Pretty much everyone knows they're likely to (argue that they're going to) use that money in June and July now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 So a lot of people on this board want conforto but he is one of the last people to sign or even be mentioned to sign. What do others know about him or why hasn’t he signed . If he is that good that everyone on here drools why hasn’t anyone signed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBX Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Bro. Andrew Vaughn isn't going to be a 68 OPS+ hitter against RHP just because he did it last year after a year essentially playing no MiLB ball. No one knows where he is "at the moment ". We know what he did last year. That's it. No one is "dumb" for recognizing that Andrew Vaughn is going to be a really good MLB hitter. The only "dumb" thing would be to overreact to a fluke start to a career and turn one of the best hitting prospects in baseball into a weak side platoon hitter. Vaughn should go to Charlotte until we can figure out what the hell is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It does scare me that their window to spend any Kimbrel savings could close very quickly with a couple of key signings. Depends in the salary they bring back in the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, KBX said: Vaughn should go to Charlotte until we can figure out what the hell is going on. No. He needs to learn MLB pitching. He will learn nothing down there. The only way that happens is if he really struggles to begin the season and he needs to get comfortable again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fathom Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 so Kaplan today said the Sox are very interested in Montas, but the price is either Vaughn or Sheets and Crochet. Didn’t hear anything about Sox holding 3 offers for Kimbrel, but I could have missed that 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, quickman said: So a lot of people on this board want conforto but he is one of the last people to sign or even be mentioned to sign. What do others know about him or why hasn’t he signed . If he is that good that everyone on here drools why hasn’t anyone signed him? Maybe the league realizes he's a platoon guy that can't hit lefties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Pretty much everyone knows they're likely to (argue that they're going to) use that money in June and July now. The fact that both Castellanos and Conforto are sitting there with minimal chatter makes me wonder if the Sox have a handshake in place with one of them, or are at least far enough that they can quickly close once they move salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, fathom said: so Kaplan today said the Sox are very interested in Montas, but the price is either Vaughn or Sheets and Crochet. Didn’t hear anything about Sox holding 3 offers for Kimbrel, but I could have missed that Hard pass on Montas if that's the price imo. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Andrew Vaughn isn't going to be a 68 OPS+ hitter against RHP just because he did it last year after a year essentially playing no MiLB ball. No one knows where he is "at the moment ". We know what he did last year. That's it. No one is "dumb" for recognizing that Andrew Vaughn is going to be a really good MLB hitter. The only "dumb" thing would be to overreact to a fluke start to a career and turn one of the best hitting prospects in baseball into a weak side platoon hitter. More than a few posters here don't get this. Andrew Vaughn got a grand total of 205 PA in Rookie and A ball his draft year. Covid year he spent at Schaumberg. Come Eloy's injury in '21 and -VOILA!- welcome not only to the Majors and MLB pitching but a new position(s) as well. That not to mention on a contending team to boot. My only quibble would be that he might use a half season in AAA to get his eyeballs and swing calibrated to good RH pitching. Or not. Edited March 18, 2022 by FoxForce2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, FoxForce2 said: More than a few posters here don't get this. Andrew Vaughn got a grand total of 205 PA in Rookie, and A ball his draft year. Covid year he spent at Schaumberg. Come Eloy's injury in '21 and -VOILA!- welcome not only to the Majors and MLB pitching but a new position(s) as well. My only quibble would be that he might use a half season in AAA to get his eyeballs and swing calibrated to good RH pitching. Vaughn could have easily spent another year or even two destroying crappy MiLB pitching and none would have thought twice. In fact it probably would have served to increase the hype around the kid. I don't think it can be overstated enough how impressive this kid holding his own last year actually was. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, fathom said: so Kaplan today said the Sox are very interested in Montas, but the price is either Vaughn or Sheets and Crochet. Didn’t hear anything about Sox holding 3 offers for Kimbrel, but I could have missed that Sheets and Crochet for Montas, I’d probably have to say yes. I’d prefer Manaea over the guy with a PED suspension though. I’m not trading Vaughn this year. Period. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, flavum said: Sheets and Crochet for Montas, I’d probably have to say yes. I’d prefer Manaea over the guy with a PED suspension though. I’m not trading Vaughn this year. Period. Given that Crochet is probably not getting out of the bullpen with the Sox, I think that's an ok deal. Expensive, but I could live with it. Edited March 18, 2022 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, flavum said: Sheets and Crochet for Montas, I’d probably have to say yes. I’d prefer Manaea over the guy with a PED suspension though. I’m not trading Vaughn this year. Period. I just really don't like or trust montas. If you have doubts about crochet as a starter, Sheets + him would be fine for a nice arm. Not sure I trust the sox to assess crochet at this point. If he has any chance of starting I wouldn't move him. If he doesn't, I'd ship him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I just really don't like or trust montas. If you have doubts about crochet as a starter, Sheets + him would be fine for a nice arm. Not sure I trust the sox to assess crochet at this point. If he has any chance of starting I wouldn't move him. If he doesn't, I'd ship him. I think that if Crochet remains on the Sox, he's going to stay in the bullpen. He won't start unless he gets traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I just really don't like or trust montas. If you have doubts about crochet as a starter, Sheets + him would be fine for a nice arm. Not sure I trust the sox to assess crochet at this point. If he has any chance of starting I wouldn't move him. If he doesn't, I'd ship him. Biggest question with Crochet is how badly his velocity tumbles if he transitions to being a starter. If he's out there throwing low 90s, I don't see how he can be an effective starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Whisox05 said: Vaughn/Sheets/Engel in RF it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBX Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Vaughn has his back against the wall. They handled him like maroons. No minor league time and out of position at the MLB level. You can ruin a guy this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The fact that both Castellanos and Conforto are sitting there with minimal chatter makes me wonder if the Sox have a handshake in place with one of them, or are at least far enough that they can quickly close once they move salary. Castellanos was connected to the Phillies and Marlins today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeaseAndExist Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 If Bassitt can be had for JT Ginn then Vaughn would be a massive overpay for Montas. Even Sheets + Crochet is an absurd overpay. Again, the Twins got Sonny Gray for just Chase Petty. That's the type of value you look for. If Montas costs that much, just walk away and find a different deal 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Jack Parkman said: I think that if Crochet remains on the Sox, he's going to stay in the bullpen. He won't start unless he gets traded. They must not believe he has the ability to sustain velocity over an extended number of innings...and last year his fastball velo was about the average of what Rodon or the Chris Sale of yore would ramp up to in the later innings of a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I’m staying away from Montas at that price and past knee issues with all the weight he carries. I’m all in on trading for Manaea and signing him to an extension. Fine with Burger or Sheets headlining the deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, KBX said: Vaughn has his back against the wall. They handled him like maroons. No minor league time and out of position at the MLB level. You can ruin a guy this way. Moline Maroons or morons? Fortunately, it seems he showed the moxie or competitive disposition to handle it all quite well, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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