caulfield12 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 If you strip out the Kimbrel contract, the White Sox would be 8th in MLB LAD, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, SD (all over $200 million) 7) LA Angels $183 😎 White Sox $173 9) Atlanta $170.4 10) Houston $169 11) Toronto $165 12) SFG $152.2 13) StL $151 14) Texas $137 million 17) Milwaukee Brewers $129.3 25) TB Rays $81.4 (but won 100 games and two consecutive AL EAST titles somehow) 28) Indians $51.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 hours ago, JoeC said: Low-cost move that solidifies the OF. Doesn't make us worse, but definitely doesn't change the fact that RF still a huge need. As a younger man, I would choose to believe in the upside of aquisitions sich as this. Experience makes you wiser. Basically, if this ends up as the end of the White Sox pursuit for a right fielder,, disapointing. I expect us to be buying at the deadline (if the Sox are even willing ffs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 5 hours ago, caulfield12 said: We’ll see how good his defense is with a 47% falloff in speed from two seasons ago…we usually don’t “coach up” players unless it’s getting surprising offense at catcher from the likes of Narvaez and McCann. Likely will still be much better than Eloy, Sheets and Andrew. 47%? That means he now runs slower than Paul Konerko. Anyway, I'm glad for the trade, but will be surprised if he ever played better than Adam Engel just because the Phillies gave up for a minor league reliever that maxed out his physical profile at 24YO. As previously stated, the Sox have to keep at this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said: 47%? That means he now runs slower than Paul Konerko. Anyway, I'm glad for the trade, but will be surprised if he ever played better than Adam Engel just because the Phillies gave up for a minor league reliever that maxed out his physical profile at 24YO. As previously stated, the Sox have to keep at this. Well, as stated by a few others, he had two injuries that would theoretically explain his sprint speed fall-off. Hopefully they're healed now. I would guess they're going to trust the pedigree of a LH hitting former Top 10 draft pick over Adolfo...it's actually quite an interesting decision in terms of playing time for those two particular players, upside/potential vs. expected current level of production. "I think they did not want to DFA him for "confidence" reasons. I am guessing whatever the issues were last year he has not quite recovered from, at least in terms of hitting. And this way it is a trade, rather than DFA, and they can point out the real positives of the lottery tickey guy coming back (he does have a good fastball and he was part of AFL last year) and Hase also will get a real chance to make the roster in CHI. Win, win, win, (PHI/CHI/Hase), with the exception of the sunk cost of another essentially-failed first rounder. It's also true that Joe G never seemed to think much of Hase, even before last year. Good news is that Moniak is looking better. And I'm guessing that part of the reason for the trade is that Muzziotti is looking better, too." https://www.thegoodphight.com/2022/3/29/23001484/phillies-send-adam-haseley-to-chicago#comments This article has a string of about 80 comments about the Haseley trade, but it digressed into the bullpen and Aaron Nola's expected level of effectiveness as well. Edited March 30, 2022 by caulfield12 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 From the comments: “And Haseley currently ranks 3rd in WAR from the 2017 first round. Take that what you will” 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 hours ago, caulfield12 said: If you strip out the Kimbrel contract, the White Sox would be 8th in MLB LAD, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, SD (all over $200 million) 7) LA Angels $183 😎 White Sox $173 9) Atlanta $170.4 10) Houston $169 11) Toronto $165 12) SFG $152.2 13) StL $151 14) Texas $137 million 17) Milwaukee Brewers $129.3 25) TB Rays $81.4 (but won 100 games and two consecutive AL EAST titles somehow) 28) Indians $51.6 But he's still on the roster, which means the White Sox are currently 7th. This is like the "if you remove Patrick Mahomes amazing games, he's an average QB" post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Quin said: But he's still on the roster, which means the White Sox are currently 7th. This is like the "if you remove Patrick Mahomes amazing games, he's an average QB" post. Except Kimbrel is more like Elvis Grbac, Trent Green or Alex Smith. Edited March 30, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Quin said: But he's still on the roster, which means the White Sox are currently 7th. This is like the "if you remove Patrick Mahomes amazing games, he's an average QB" post. Except Kimbrel is more like Elvis Grbac, Trent Green or Alex Smith on this roster. We needed Tyreek Hill with that money, not MVS or JJS. Edited March 30, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Let’s just all send Hahn, Williams, and LaRusa thank you cards on opening day remembering how they picked up the option for Kimbrel. Yay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 What a freaking joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 26 minutes ago, hi8is said: Let’s just all send Hahn, Williams, and LaRusa thank you cards on opening day remembering how they picked up the option for Kimbrel. Yay. They'd probably make the mistake of believing they were legitimately sincere...at least TLR would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: They'd probably make the mistake of believing they were legitimately sincere...at least TLR would. Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Quin said: But he's still on the roster, which means the White Sox are currently 7th. This is like the "if you remove Patrick Mahomes amazing games, he's an average QB" post. I think Mahomes has only had 1 or 2 bad games in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Is Haseley still eligible for Rookie of the Year? It would be awesome if we had ROY (Haseley), MVP (Robert) and Cy Young (Keuchel). That would be a nice exclamation point to the World Series tittle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 20 minutes ago, sin city sox fan said: Is Haseley still eligible for Rookie of the Year? It would be awesome if we had ROY (Haseley), MVP (Robert) and Cy Young (Keuchel). That would be a nice exclamation point to the World Series tittle! Nope, disqualified by plate appearances a long time ago. Have to root for Adolfo, Burger, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 Just stashing this here. If you took a straight Sheets/Vaughn platoon, here were their combined numbers against opposite handed pitchers. 301 PA, 265 ABs, 70 hits, 33 1Bs, 18 2Bs, 0 3Bs, 19 HRs, .265 BA, .354 OBP, 552 SLG, 906 OPS Projected to 500 PAs, assuming they balanced out with the pitching matchups. (They are close enough in their numbers that it's a reasonable extrapolation.) 500 PAs, 440, ABs, 117 hits, 55 1Bs, 30 2Bs, 0 3Bs, 32 HRs, .265 BA, .354 OBP, .552 SLG, 906 OPS. Where would that rank on the team? OPS - 3rd. Behind Robert and Grandal SLG - 2nd - Behind Robert OBP - 4th - Behind Grandal, Robert, Moncada. Just ahead of Abreu. HR - 1st - ahead of Abreu Granted, Vaughn/Sheets are better at DH or 1B, but given this production, if Grandal is DHing or playing first when he can't catch, then either Sheets or Vaughn also need to be in the lineup, and they aren't putting Abreu or Jimenez on the bench. RF is where they need to play. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 It's funny. People see the obvious loss of production and development when you put Crochet into a limited role and limit his innings and growth, but want to do the exact same thing to a guy with just as high of a ceiling in Andrew Vaughn by turning him into a weakside platoon hitter. Andrew Vaughn should have 500 ABs by himself this year. Period. End of story. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 10 hours ago, ron883 said: What a freaking joke. This is exactly the kind of low rent move we now expect of this organization, not a power move for a team looking to fill a critical gap on a team competing for a championship. Beyond a freaking joke, it's embarrassing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 35 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It's funny. People see the obvious loss of production and development when you put Crochet into a limited role and limit his innings and growth, but want to do the exact same thing to a guy with just as high of a ceiling in Andrew Vaughn by turning him into a weakside platoon hitter. Andrew Vaughn should have 500 ABs by himself this year. Period. End of story. Exactly. Vaughn should not be part of any platoon. Vaughn can play RF against RHP, with Sheets as the DH. When we face a LHP, Vaughn can be the DH (or LF, with Eloy DH sometimes) and Engel can play RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 11 hours ago, Quin said: But he's still on the roster, which means the White Sox are currently 7th. This is like the "if you remove Patrick Mahomes amazing games, he's an average QB" post. When Kenneth Walker dominated MIchigan this year (197 yards and 5 TDs), there were actual Michigan fans saying that if you took away some of Walker's big runs, you would see that they actually held him in check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 41 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It's funny. People see the obvious loss of production and development when you put Crochet into a limited role and limit his innings and growth, but want to do the exact same thing to a guy with just as high of a ceiling in Andrew Vaughn by turning him into a weakside platoon hitter. Andrew Vaughn should have 500 ABs by himself this year. Period. End of story. Anyone who wants(ed) to turn AV into a weakside platoon hitter so that Gavin Sheets can get at bats is coocoo. That being said, since the Sox cheaped out and didn't sign a real RF, they both get can everyday at bats. AV should be in the lineup nearly everyday. Sheets will DH against RHP. Engel can play RF against LHP and AV DH (or play LF and Eloy DH). Based on the current roster, AV will only be sitting in favor of Leury in RF really. Which I am sure TLR will do more than we'd all like. The only positive I can really glean from the Sox not signing Conforto is the fact that TLR can't really get in the way of himself very easily with respect to sitting Vaughn more than he should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Dick Allen said: I think Mahomes has only had 1 or 2 bad games in his career. Give it a read. All time dumb sports take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Quin said: Give it a read. All time dumb sports take. So if you take away his ability to do things that other QBs can't, he is just a normal QB? He considers that unsustainable. Is that his point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: So if you take away his ability to do things that other QBs can't, he is just a normal QB? He considers that unsustainable. Is that his point? Yes. The post is r/NFL's equivalent of Tim Anderson at catcher. It has become heavily memed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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