Two-Gun Pete Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, Tony said: On one hand, I’m glad I’m seemingly the only thing that can you bring you any joy. On the other hand, that fact makes me sad for you. Indeed. Sadder than you thinking about me as much as you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, wegner said: Just as long as this thread is not locked....this has been some comic gold. Well done everyone. Also I assume this subject is allowed in game threads based on Mcguire's performance. Depends if his performance is leaving others frustrated or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 8 hours ago, gusguyman said: Say what you will, the man knows how to handle his staff 8 hours ago, Dick Allen said: He used to flash some power, now he flashes other things. I’m a little late to this thread of hilarity, but these two comments were fucking 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Funny, my off-season plan for this year included trading Kimbrel to the Jays for McGuire + a couple of lower level prospects. I then moved Collins in a separate trade and McGuire became the Sox backup. "We know Jerry doesn't like to waste money, and he won't here. Toronto needs bullpen help and they have some money to spend. Jordan Romano was very good for Toronto last season as their primary closer, but he is far less entrenched in that role than Liam Hendriks, so Kimbrel would take the closing duties for a year in Toronto while Romano takes the 8th inning role. The Jays are a natural fit here not only because they need RP help, and have money, but because they have a glut of 3 decent catchers, with their #1 prospect, also a catcher, about to join the fray. In discussing with Jays fans, they basically put equal value on catchers McGuire and Danny Jansen. I ultimately chose McGuire for the role of backup catcher for the Sox due to his left-handed bat, being known for his defense, and for having an above-average arm to control the opponent running game, a glaring weakness for the Sox. McGuire also ranks around top 10ish in catcher framing as well. Anything he adds with the bat, which seems to be better in the Majors than when he was a prospect, will just be gravy." In previous off-season plans I've included trades for Pollock, but I can't seem to find those write-ups as easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 34 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said: I’m a little late to this thread of hilarity, but these two comments were fucking 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 You forgot to give me an and1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melton1972 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 I cant wait to see what's on the back of Mcguire's uniform when they play the game with their nicknames on their jersies. Hand-Jive maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 11 hours ago, soxfan49 said: Statcast and Baseball Pro have him as an above average framer He is a good framer because his workouts have made his wrists really strong:) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxForce2 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 You all are going to give this guy a complex - in addition to the one he probably already has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 6 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Funny, my off-season plan for this year included trading Kimbrel to the Jays for McGuire + a couple of lower level prospects. I then moved Collins in a separate trade and McGuire became the Sox backup. "We know Jerry doesn't like to waste money, and he won't here. Toronto needs bullpen help and they have some money to spend. Jordan Romano was very good for Toronto last season as their primary closer, but he is far less entrenched in that role than Liam Hendriks, so Kimbrel would take the closing duties for a year in Toronto while Romano takes the 8th inning role. The Jays are a natural fit here not only because they need RP help, and have money, but because they have a glut of 3 decent catchers, with their #1 prospect, also a catcher, about to join the fray. In discussing with Jays fans, they basically put equal value on catchers McGuire and Danny Jansen. I ultimately chose McGuire for the role of backup catcher for the Sox due to his left-handed bat, being known for his defense, and for having an above-average arm to control the opponent running game, a glaring weakness for the Sox. McGuire also ranks around top 10ish in catcher framing as well. Anything he adds with the bat, which seems to be better in the Majors than when he was a prospect, will just be gravy." In previous off-season plans I've included trades for Pollock, but I can't seem to find those write-ups as easily. Was wondering when you would show up. Finally after all these years the Sox get one of your catching targets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 At least he knows how to handle himself. I’ll show myself out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Knapp Andrew Knapp of Phillies/Reds fame as a backup catcher could elect for FA today...fwiw. Would be much better than Zavala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melton1972 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 He is not Master of his Domain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Give the guy a break. I'm sure everyone making a snarky comment here has done it many times, though probably not in a parking lot. The Sox got better with this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogosox1959 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 framing: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Not sure if I replied to this yesterday but I'll add again if I didn't yesterday thank god Collins is gone. One of the worst pitch framers in the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, gogosox1959 said: framing: Collins just doesn't even bother to present the pitch. I've never seen someone stab at the ball like him. He'll also catch the ball with his glove sideways at times. No umpire is gonna give a pitcher a call on those. McGuire is obviously really good at it. Better than Grandal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 that video breakdown is great. Collins is an organizational failure and frustrating that they never were able to even get a slight improvement out of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 The last time the White Sox traded away a catcher who was hopeless and a disaster behind the plate and where it was emphatically declared he would never become a good framer, it took him two seasons to become one of the better framers in the game and a solid overall defensive catcher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 This is a very good trade for us. McGuire is the clear better defender which is what we need. And Collins hasn't been proven to hit a lick in the majors. He was practically worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The last time the White Sox traded away a catcher who was hopeless and a disaster behind the plate and where it was emphatically declared he would never become a good framer, it took him two seasons to become one of the better framers in the game and a solid overall defensive catcher. All that says is that they can’t improve catcher defense here (just using your one example). Might as well deal him for someone who can already catch and frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: All that says is that they can’t improve catcher defense here (just using your one example). Might as well deal him for someone who can already catch and frame. James McCann was coached by the same guys as Collins and he went from bad framer to good with the team. I don't think it's a reflection of the Sox. It's the player. Some can do it, some can't. Some want to, some don't. They said Collins worked very hard on his defense. Maybe he just can't be a good defender. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: James McCann was coached by the same guys as Collins and he went from bad framer to good with the team. I don't think it's a reflection of the Sox. It's the player. Some can do it, some can't. Some want to, some don't. They said Collins worked very hard on his defense. Maybe he just can't be a good defender. It almost seems like he just has poor hand-eye coordination. You can only teach people to be good at something if they've got the physical ability to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Can’t believe every single minor league scout was right and the Sox were wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: James McCann was coached by the same guys as Collins and he went from bad framer to good with the team. I don't think it's a reflection of the Sox. It's the player. Some can do it, some can't. Some want to, some don't. They said Collins worked very hard on his defense. Maybe he just can't be a good defender. Oh I know. I was just going off of his one example he provided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: James McCann was coached by the same guys as Collins and he went from bad framer to good with the team. I don't think it's a reflection of the Sox. It's the player. Some can do it, some can't. Some want to, some don't. They said Collins worked very hard on his defense. Maybe he just can't be a good defender. Well unfortunately that’s not true at all as 2019 was the worst framing season in his career. 2020 was respectable but in a very short sample set. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/james-mccann-543510?stats=statcast-r-fielding-mlb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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