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8 hours ago, ron883 said:

Wrong. Yaz accounted for 15% of the White Sox team walks. 87 walks, 23.2% walk rate. Him falling off a cliff would absolutely drag down the White Sox BB% a significant amount. 

Not sure what is "wrong." 

If you removed 40 walks from Yaz last year, the Sox would still have ranked in the top 12 in BB rate. 

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9 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Robert and Abreu's rates are probably down a bit, too.

But almost as big as Grandal's decline is missing Moncada in the lineup for a month in terms of OBP/walks.

I think Moncada is the big difference. Not only was he exceptionally patient last year, he has been replaced mostly by Jake Burger who is in the following percentiles:

  • K% - 15th percentile
  • BB% - 9th percentile
  • Whiff% - 6th percentile
  • Chase Rate - 6th percentile

Also, José Abreu is actually being MORE patient at the plate this season. José's underlying statistics actually look pretty good, so I'm not too worried about him.

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On 4/29/2022 at 11:16 AM, caulfield12 said:

Or Liam has had a heavy workload the last five years and is slowly losing his stuff and location as a nature part of the aging process.

How did Katz treat him differently this year?

Isn’t the lockout, cold weather and abbreviated spring training just as likely to be factors in his FB velo being down 2-3 mph?  

Australia is a warm weather country.

On 5/2/2022 at 11:33 AM, southsider2k5 said:

 

Not having Moncada and trading away Our best OBP guy Madrigal has not helped.

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On 4/27/2022 at 1:05 AM, ron883 said:

Leury was 100% a Tony signing

Aggravated by hitting him 2 nd and 3 rd in the lineup while hitting under .100 line.  Add vocabulary to the Mendoza line, now we have the Leury line.

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2 hours ago, hankchifan said:

Australia is a warm weather country.

Not having Moncada and trading away Our best OBP guy Madrigal has not helped.

Madrigal was not our best OBP guy. His OBP was like 4th or 5th highest.

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3 hours ago, hankchifan said:

Not having Moncada and trading away Our best OBP guy Madrigal has not helped.

Madrigal's .349 OBP in 2021 was behind Grandal (.420), Robert (.378), Moncada (.375), and Abreu (.351)

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3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

Madrigal's .349 OBP in 2021 was behind Grandal (.420), Robert (.378), Moncada (.375), and Abreu (.351)

Plus he barely played, so isn't like he had a heavy weight on any team stats.

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3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

Madrigal's .349 OBP in 2021 was behind Grandal (.420), Robert (.378), Moncada (.375), and Abreu (.351)

OK. My bad,  nevertheless, he was our best contact guy with minimal Ks.
 

 

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5 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Not sure what is "wrong." 

If you removed 40 walks from Yaz last year, the Sox would still have ranked in the top 12 in BB rate. 

 

6 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

Madrigal's .349 OBP in 2021 was behind Grandal (.420), Robert (.378), Moncada (.375), and Abreu (.351)

Sabermetrics strikes again.

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6 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Not sure what is "wrong." 

If you removed 40 walks from Yaz last year, the Sox would still have ranked in the top 12 in BB rate. 

It depends on how much he falls off, obviously. Removing 40 walks still gives him a BB% of 12.5%~. That's still above average. Give him an 9.75% walk rate, which would rank 3rd best for a team average BB%, and it drops the Sox to 15th.  Give him a league average BB% of 8.7% and it drops another spot I'd imagine. 

15% of a teams walks by one player is pretty significant. If you replace him with a player with the league average walk rate, it drops the Sox from 4th to 15th or 16th. That's a lot. 

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1 minute ago, ron883 said:

It depends on how much he falls off, obviously. Removing 40 walks still gives him a BB% of 12.5%~. That's still above average. Give him an 9.75% walk rate, which would rank 3rd best for a team average BB%, and it drops the Sox to 15th. 

15% of a teams walks by one player is pretty significant. 

Not really; you wouldn't expect an even distribution of walks at 11% per starter and you'd expect some fluctuation. Because Yaz missed so much time last year, his impact wasn't as significant. Moncada had 3 fewer walks than Grandal. Also, Grandal going to 9.75% would be pretty crazy given his career % is 14.8, and every year but one he's been over 13% and this year he's started slow and he's still at 12%. That's why I removed 40.

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24 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Not really; you wouldn't expect an even distribution of walks at 11% per starter and you'd expect some fluctuation. Because Yaz missed so much time last year, his impact wasn't as significant. Moncada had 3 fewer walks than Grandal. Also, Grandal going to 9.75% would be pretty crazy given his career % is 14.8, and every year but one he's been over 13% and this year he's started slow and he's still at 12%. That's why I removed 40.

How do you yourself define "carrying" in terms of a player carrying BB% for a team? The guy lead the team in walks and lead the team in BB% by far.

The team drops from 4th to 11th-13th when you chop off 40 walks, giving him an BB% of 12.5% as you stated. That seems pretty significant. 

Semantics. 

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1 minute ago, ron883 said:

How do you yourself define "carrying" in terms of a player carrying BB% for a team? The guy lead the team in walks and lead the team in BB% by far.

The team drops from 4th to 11th-13th when you chop off 40 walks, giving him an BB% of 12.5% as you stated. That seems pretty significant. 

Semantics. 

But the team is in the bottom 3 this year, not the middle of the pack at 11-13 as you'd expect to see based on your own math at 12.5%. So Yaz isn't the reason the team isn't in the top 3 this year. That was my entire point.

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5 hours ago, hankchifan said:

Australia is a warm weather country.

Not having Moncada and trading away Our best OBP guy Madrigal has not helped.

Well, Hendriks definitely brought his A game yesterday. We will soon see how consistent he is with that against less high profile teams and hitters.

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You pull Banks after an 8-3 lead is lost due to 2 errors and Rosairo hitting a pitch he had no business swinging at. Yeah that'll instill confidence through the ranks.

FTLR

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4 minutes ago, credezcrew24 said:

You pull Banks after an 8-3 lead is lost due to 2 errors and Rosairo hitting a pitch he had no business swinging at. Yeah that'll instill confidence through the ranks.

FTLR

Oh please…. Pulling banks was the right call and if he didnt, as things were clearly falling apart and the all star closer waiting in the wings, he would have been rightfully criticized here.  TLR did NOTHING wrong.

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LOL I was waiting for this thread to get bumped when the winning streak ended. Zero posts in here when we are winning.

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Just now, KrankinSox said:

LOL I was waiting for this thread to get bumped when the winning streak ended. Zero posts in here when we are winning.

I am so happy for you.  

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4 minutes ago, KrankinSox said:

LOL I was waiting for this thread to get bumped when the winning streak ended. Zero posts in here when we are winning.

Happy for you

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The fact that he said defense did not cause the loss today is reason enough to bump this thread.

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7 minutes ago, KrankinSox said:

LOL I was waiting for this thread to get bumped when the winning streak ended. Zero posts in here when we are winning.

Long live the LaRusstans!

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12 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Long live the LaRusstans!

Hail Hail Freedonia....land of the free, free, free.

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17 minutes ago, wegner said:

Hail Hail Freedonia....land of the free, free, free.

I wonder when the last Marx Brothers reference on this board was. 

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