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So obviously this lineup is really struggling right now, especially against RHP (we currently have a league worse 69 wRC+).  A lack of on-base percentage has been the driving factor and it’s easy see why when the lineup is filled with multiple guys in the low single digits in terms of walk rate.

Yoan is coming back soon and should help address both areas.  The question is where do you slot him and what other changes do you make to the lineup against RHP?  Here is how I’d structure the lineup going forward:

  1. Anderson, SS
  2. Robert, CF
  3. Moncada, 3B#
  4. Abreu, 1B
  5. Vaughn, LF
  6. Grandal, C#
  7. Pollock, RF
  8. Sheets, DH*
  9. Harrison, 2B

I think we need to put him directly in the #3 spot.  I want that on-base percentage (.385 last year against RHP) directly in front of Jose & Vaughn.  Ultimately I think clustering our top five hitters near at the top of the lineup is the key to get things going.  And they need to be in the lineup nearly everyday.  If they need a rest, give them a day at DH.

There are other things I’d like to see too.  First, Grandal needs to be bumped down until he figures his shit out.  Both his BB rate & ISO are lacking right now, but I do expect those to come around even if last year ends up being a bit of an outlier.  Either way, he needs to start much more a C as we can’t afford McGuire’s invisible bat draining the lineup as much as it is right now.  This even more critical if you plan on giving the guys above an occasional DH start.

Finally, Leury needs to be on the bench far more often.  As bad as Harrison has been, his xwOBA is over 50 points higher than Legend’s.  He needs to be the primary guy at 2B even if he isn’t a greater solution there.  And as for RF, when Pollock needs time off (and he will) it should be Engel getting the starts and not Leury.  I don’t care that we’re talking against RHP, Legend isn’t good against them either and brings a very undispiplined approach.  At this point, I want Leury getting the least amount of playing time until the rest of the offense starts heating up.

What are your thoughts on there?  Where does Yoan slot in and what other lineup changes would you makes against RHP?

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It would work. I'm not 100% on Abreu leading off the second but I guess we can pretend we get a first inning runner. I think I would flip those two. 

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vs RHP: Anderson 6, Moncada 5, Robert 8, Abreu 3, Grandal 2, Vaughn 7, Sheets DH, Pollock 9, Garcia 4

vs LHP: Anderson 6, Vaughn DH, Robert 8, Abreu 3, Grandal 2, Moncada 5, Pollock 7, Engel 9, Harrison 4

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Anderson

Robert

Leury

Abreu

Grandal

Vaughn

Moncada

Pollock

Harrison (DH)

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Yoan 2, Robert 3.  Stack the rest of the mess in as you see fit after. 
 

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TA

Yoan

Robert

Vaughn

Abreu

Grandal

AJ

Sheets/Burger (?)

Harrison/Leury

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Vs LHP, something like:

TA

Vaughn

Robert

Abreu

Grandal

Yoan

AJ

Engel

Harrison

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We can make the ideal lineup until we are blue in the face but we know TLR will only have the best lineup out there 1-2 games a week

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If Vaughn is playing the OF I'd bat him 2nd.  Get those PAs and get Engel in there.  

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I’d put Yoan 2nd. Give me a guy whose had known success in that spot and will compliment Anderson’s aggressive approach with his patience and ability to work the count. 
 

1. SS Anderson R

2. 3B Moncada S

3. CF Robert R

4. 1B Abreu R

5. C Grandal S

6. LF Vaughn R

7. RF Pollock R

8. DH Sheets L

9. 2B Harrison/Garcia R/S

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3 hours ago, BigHurt3515 said:

We can make the ideal lineup until we are blue in the face but we know TLR will only have the best lineup out there 1-2 games a week

This is the sad reality we all live in.  

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I would give Robinson Cano a shot at DH. His contract salary is already paid for this year so he would cost minimal . LH and good clubhouse guy. Maybe he comes alive when warmer weather arrives  but he is a cheap gamble if he does not take away DH bats for Vaughn. 

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I'd bat Yoan leadoff, TA second. I'd move Abreu down to 5th or 6th - Robert and Vaughn 3/4. None of this will ever happen, but that's what I'd do.

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Posted (edited)

Vs, RHP 

  1. SS Anderson .725
  2. 3B Moncada # .815
  3. 1B Abreu .841
  4. LF Vaughn .643 (.894 in 2022) 
  5. C Grandal # .799
  6. CF Robert .768
  7. RF Pollock .800
  8. DH Sheets ^ . 839 (.297 vs. LHP)
  9. 2B Harrison .703

Vs. LHP

  1. SS Anderson .877
  2. CF Robert 1.052
  3. C Grandal # .806
  4. 1B Abreu .930
  5. DH Vaughn .949
  6. 3B Moncada # .701
  7. LF Pollock .855
  8. RF Engel .678 (.620 vs. RHP)
  9. 2B Harrison .757

Bench (Engel and Sheets platooned above plus three below)

  • McGuire ^ .726 .412
  • 2B/SS/RF L. Garcia .644 .692
  • 3B J. Burger R 28 Games .771 L 14 Games .546

If Abreu continues to slump through Memorial Day, consider moving him down to the 5th or 6th spot. I think his best shot is with Vaughn protecting him.

Edited by South Side Hit Men
Added career OPS splits.
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Moncada does best against RHP in the 2 spot. 

I think you bat him 2nd against RHP and 7th against LHP. 

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4 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

This lineup is going to explode upon Yoan’s return

Why do I have a feeling Yoan's stay will be short lived with that oblique injury? I highly doubt he's 100%.

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Is Sheets really a major league hitter? When are we ready to have that discussion?

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1 hour ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

Is Sheets really a major league hitter? When are we ready to have that discussion?

No. /discussion

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Leury 1-9.  Also if you need to pinch hit for Leury you pinch hit with Leury. 

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8 hours ago, SoxAce said:

Why do I have a feeling Yoan's stay will be short lived with that oblique injury? I highly doubt he's 100%.

Might need to ptatc to opine on this, but it seems like league-wide there are way more oblique injuries early in the season, is that just a short spring training thing? 

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17 hours ago, SoxAce said:

Why do I have a feeling Yoan's stay will be short lived with that oblique injury? I highly doubt he's 100%.

My comment has more to do with the weather warming up next week and less to do with Moncada

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