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On position player side, see if anyone will take Pollock.  Likely to be stuck with Harrison/Leury.

No way you get what you want back for Moncada Eloy Grandal.  And you arguably are without a legit 3B if you have to rely on Burger there.

Some might even argue go with Sosa at third with Burger as pure DH. Others will argue Burger will improve with additional experience.

 

Selling Lynn doesn't make much sense because we need him next year to compete since we will refuse to go after any top line talent in FA.  Giolito is a conundrum.

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1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

Then he’s simply not moving because if the trade deadline were right now no contender would give up anything of value for him. Too high of a risk for anything else. That only changes if he gives you a few good games.

Again, you’re just flat out wrong here. I could almost buy it if he wasn’t under control for next season, but it still wouldn’t be accurate. You’re putting FAR too much weight on a bad June. 

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Everyone but Vaughn and Kopech

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I don't trust Rick Hahn or the minor league player development for another rebuild. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Tony said:

Again, you’re just flat out wrong here. I could almost buy it if he wasn’t under control for next season, but it still wouldn’t be accurate. You’re putting FAR too much weight on a bad June. 

Teams will absolutely give him a chance in the offseason if the White Sox are trying to move him,  but we're talking specifically about a contender who needs help right now. If they're looking at him right now, they see a guy who there's many reasons to think cannot help them this season. Teams that are out of the race right now would absolutely take a chance on him next offseason, but teams will only take on a guy who needs fixing to contribute this season at the deadline if it's at low cost and they're desperate. Despite the year of control, that's a "2021 Braves" like move; they didn't just get guys who were struggling but good in the past, they gave up practically nothing to do it because the guys had struggled last year.

Edit: This can still change with a couple normal starts, but I don't know if that will happen.

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45 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Really the only guy that other teams would want is Abreu. I can't see that happening. Otherwise, there's nothing really to sell. Pollock is a salary dump, and I agree with Balta about Giolito. 

Teams wouldn't want Anderson, Cease, Kopech or Vaughn? Lol stop it Jack. You're getting too pessimistic again. 

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No one. This front office doesn’t get another chance. 

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41 minutes ago, shago said:

Selling = rebuild ... not happening

Selling doesn’t equal rebuild. I think a slight retool of the roster can do wonders for it. And why not trade guys, who are easily replaceable, on expiring contracts or who are on the decline?

Take Abreu for example, he might be a platoon guy in this point in his career. Plus having him off the team, strips the team of a 1B/DH type and they have too many of those. Trading him would allow Andrew Vaughn to play his natural position and you can get a natural outfielder to go in the OF which could help improve team defense. Just an example. 

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31 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

I don't trust Rick Hahn or the minor league player development for another rebuild. 

 

Colson Montgomery says hello from Winston Salem. In all seriousness you can’t deny the improvements they’ve made in that department, just need the pitching to catch up to the hitting. 

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2 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said:

Selling doesn’t equal rebuild. I think a slight retool of the roster can do wonders for it. And why not trade guys, who are easily replaceable, on expiring contracts or who are on the decline?

Take Abreu for example, he might be a platoon guy in this point in his career. Plus having him off the team, strips the team of a 1B/DH type and they have too many of those. Trading him would allow Andrew Vaughn to play his natural position and you can get a natural outfielder to go in the OF which could help improve team defense. Just an example. 

After TLR, Abreu has the most power in this organization (owners aside). Abreu ain't going anywhere. 

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14 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said:

Colson Montgomery says hello from Winston Salem. In all seriousness you can’t deny the improvements they’ve made in that department, just need the pitching to catch up to the hitting. 

 

You name one guy taking a jump from Low to A to excuse this farm system ?  😂

Yes, there have been nice stories recently, none more glaring as Lenyn Sosa.    But there have been so many misses down there that have cost this team the much needed insulation needed when you get decimated by injuries. 

At one point the Sox future OF prospect list had :

Robert

Eloy

Rutherford 

Adolfo

Basabe

Gonzalez 

Walker 

 

End result is the reason why DH/1Bs like Vaughn and Sheets are playing the OF today. 

 

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32 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said:

Colson Montgomery says hello from Winston Salem. In all seriousness you can’t deny the improvements they’ve made in that department, just need the pitching to catch up to the hitting. 

The farm was universally ranked #30.  One first round draft pick may be a top 100 prospect soon enough (and others are looking good), but that's routine in other organizations.  

This team doesn't need to rebuild - it needs to retool.  Trading some guys in July could help in the retool -  although that would require a lot of work from the FO, which they haven't been willing to do in most July trading periods.  Rule 5 guys in return simply won't cut it.

Giolito has value, but it's severely depressed.  Too bad as he'd be the one to trade as the org. pretty obviously doesn't want to extend him.

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Doesnt matter, this is franchise stuck in hell and anything they do will turn into shit as long as JR owns the team. 

 

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1 hour ago, Joshua Strong said:

Colson Montgomery says hello from Winston Salem. In all seriousness you can’t deny the improvements they’ve made in that department, just need the pitching to catch up to the hitting. 

But he’s still at least 1 1/2 years away, and that’s pushing optimistically fir a high school kid from Indiana.

If the argument is Montgomery will replace TA7 in 2024, or they will move Anderson to 2B and extend his contract, sure.

But we still don’t have any good solutions for 2023.  Colas is also at least a year away.

So do they really spend for a legit starter on Opening Day, 2023?  And sure, we can try to ditch Pollock, but that leaves two open corner outfield spots.  Does anyone trust Hahn not to mess that up…or for them not to throw Leury and Engel and Mendick out there again?

Are we legitimately going to join the race for Conforto, and how effective would he be with so much downtime, switching leagues, hitting age 30/31?

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1 hour ago, Joshua Strong said:

Colson Montgomery says hello from Winston Salem. In all seriousness you can’t deny the improvements they’ve made in that department, just need the pitching to catch up to the hitting. 

Let's slow down a little, champ. 

Anderson and Vaughn, two first-round picks, have provided a great impact at the ML level. Anderson was the first hitter the Sox had drafted since Crede to make an all-star game. 

AAA and AA currently have zero projected ML quality bats in the system.

The pitching? lol

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5 hours ago, chw42 said:

Giolito isn't getting you much back until he starts pitching better. 

If this team goes farther south and sells, I think they gotta get rid of anyone who might not be here past next year: Lynn, Hendriks, Giolito. The SP market probably won't be that saturated by the deadline, so there is a chance you can get something good back for a guy like Lynn. 

 

2 hours ago, shago said:

Selling = rebuild ... not happening

the only guys that would bring in a big and fair haul are Cease and Kopech

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2 hours ago, ron883 said:

Teams wouldn't want Anderson, Cease, Kopech or Vaughn? Lol stop it Jack. You're getting too pessimistic again. 

Those guys aren't available. 

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27 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Those guys aren't available. 

That isn't what you said though. 

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Hahn leaves a lot to be desired in talent evaluation.

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9 minutes ago, ron883 said:

That isn't what you said though. 

Does it need to be said? 

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4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

On position player side, see if anyone will take Pollock.  Likely to be stuck with Harrison/Leury.

No way you get what you want back for Moncada Eloy Grandal.  And you arguably are without a legit 3B if you have to rely on Burger there.

Some might even argue go with Sosa at third with Burger as pure DH. Others will argue Burger will improve with additional experience.

 

Selling Lynn doesn't make much sense because we need him next year to compete since we will refuse to go after any top line talent in FA.  Giolito is a conundrum.

they shoulda tried dumping Moncada in the offseason, i'm sure they knew all there was to know about him and his work ethic in the offseason to know whether or not he was willing to keep around.  maybe nobody was interested, but this past offseason was the time to move him (well, technically it was before they threw money at him.  lol idiots)

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3 hours ago, Joshua Strong said:

Selling doesn’t equal rebuild. I think a slight retool of the roster can do wonders for it. And why not trade guys, who are easily replaceable, on expiring contracts or who are on the decline?

Take Abreu for example, he might be a platoon guy in this point in his career. Plus having him off the team, strips the team of a 1B/DH type and they have too many of those. Trading him would allow Andrew Vaughn to play his natural position and you can get a natural outfielder to go in the OF which could help improve team defense. Just an example. 

not to mention, trading giolito now doesn't come close to being a rebuild, he could help restock the farm nicely, add in another couple guys and you're making it a lot easier on yourself to retool in the next few years (which, lets be honest, they were gonna need to do anyways)

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