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Time to have this conversation. This team sucks. I say they move any of the short term pieces (Pollock, Cueto, etc) and perhaps even guys like Giolito to build for next year. Can’t completely tear it down again but this team is garbage and needs significant personnel changes.

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Won't help without management and personal changes. Don’t hold your breath.

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Need to unload some of these 1B/DH types for some real defense. I’m fine with getting rid of any/all non pitchers besides Vaughn, Anderson and Robert 

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this was badly thought from the beginning, build around SP and a bullpen, but surround them with a worthless defensive cast

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4 hours ago, superchops70 said:

Need to unload some of these 1B/DH types for some real defense. I’m fine with getting rid of any/all non pitchers besides Vaughn, Anderson and Robert 

I'm actually ok moving anyone not named Vaughn/Robert, including Anderson. 

They're right back where they were in 2016. 

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3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I'm actually ok moving anyone not named Vaughn/Robert, including Anderson. 

They're right back where they were in 2016. 

I thought Vaughn has zero value, being a H 1B/DH and all. Why wouldn't you trade him if someone offered value?

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1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

I thought Vaughn has zero value, being a H 1B/DH and all. 

His value now is higher than it was in the offseason. 

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The roster construction of this team is just severely flawed.

Even if everyone was healthy and performing as expected we still have way too many plodding 1B/DH players on the roster.

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24 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I thought Vaughn has zero value, being a H 1B/DH and all. Why wouldn't you trade him if someone offered value?

I like my idea of Vaughn for Chisholm, but that’s just because Vaughn’s defense is always going to make his bat less valuable than it should be.

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Very against Hahn being able to retool. He has zero talent to scout major leaguers. Will always fall in love with players who are older because they are cheaper, and after ten years he’s still Charlie Brown lining up for that football.

Maybe a fourth degree would help him learn.

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Sox need a retool this offseason for sure, but it simply isn't happening midseason.  Could they move Cueto and Pollock if there is interest come late July and we're 10+ out?  Yeah, maybe.  But they aren't tearing this thing down to the studs, or even trading impact guys controlled thru 22 like Gio and Lynn. 

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Sell low szn here on sox internet 

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2 minutes ago, turnin' two said:

This is less significant after getting destroyed by Baltimore at home.

Ehhh.  Baltimore is 1) playing great lately; and 2) not nearly as bad KC, Detroit, Oakland who the Sox still play 31 combined games against (35% of remaining schedule).  That makes no mention of the 11 against AZ, Seattle and Colorado.  

After this week, the Sox legitimately have a cakewalk schedule.  But....none of it matters if they don't play signficiantly better baseball than they have, and play no worse than .600 against MN and CLE. 

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1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said:

Sox need a retool this offseason for sure, but it simply isn't happening midseason.  

It won't, but it should start in midseason.
And while Giolito has an extra year,  part of a creative retool is to think a few moves ahead.  And that extra year raises his value a lot.  And waiting until December reduces his value a lot.  
Boston, San Franciso, Milwaukee and maybe Tampa could use Abreu
Pretty much any contender could use Giolito.
Perhaps something for a reliever.
Pollock et al for just salary relief.


 

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Really though.............what can they do? 

The Sox really only have two options: Stay the course or tear it to the studs. 

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3 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

It won't, but it should start in midseason.
And while Giolito has an extra year,  part of a creative retool is to think a few moves ahead.  And that extra year raises his value a lot.  And waiting until December reduces his value a lot.  
Boston, San Franciso, Milwaukee and maybe Tampa could use Abreu
Pretty much any contender could use Giolito.
Perhaps something for a reliever.
Pollock et al for just salary relief.
 

The Sox aren't trading Giolito and punting 2023 in the process. Sorry.  

Abreu is unlikely to be dealt, but perhaps if July is disaster.  

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12 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Really though.............what can they do? 

The Sox really only have two options: Stay the course or tear it to the studs. 

This is so wrong. You're funny.  No need to tear it all down.  You can make a few offseason moves to better this roster and provide more flexiblity and balance.

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1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

This is so wrong. You're funny.  No need to tear it all down.  You can make a few offseason moves to better this roster and provide more flexiblity and balance.

Any moves that should be made needs to be done in the front office. Get rid of all the "old time" thinkers. Replace Duncan with an actual analytics guy. Pry someone from SF, CLE, LA to be the GM, replace the coaches with analytical thinkers. Spend the offseason to un-Menechino our hitters. So much needs to be done

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13 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

The Sox aren't trading Giolito and punting 2023 in the process. Sorry.  

That is not punting 2023 at all.  Contending teams make proactive trades like this.  Trade Giolito now and you get 2 good players in return.
 

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I am not even going to speculate on what needs to be done. I have no faith in this organization. We can only hope injured players can get well and start producing. This franchise stopped caring a long time ago.

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31 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Really though.............what can they do? 

The Sox really only have two options: Stay the course or tear it to the studs. 

That’s not true really. They could trade guys like Giolito and Hendriks now, get several quality young players for them, and then sign free agents this offseason to replace them. That is expecting the Sox to operate intelligently though so it won’t happen.

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