CentralChamps21 2,294 Posted July 3 https://twitter.com/JamesFox917/status/1543606480649207814?s=20&t=yM_M54cO5KoYmLuPCXRdwA Quote On @HitAndRun670 this morning, @MattSpiegel670 reported that Joe Kelly’s contract stated that he couldn’t pitch back to back games until July 1. Yesterday was his first back to back appearance of the season. #WhiteSox 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaliSoxFanViaSWside 3,944 Posted July 3 1 hour ago, CentralChamps21 said: https://twitter.com/JamesFox917/status/1543606480649207814?s=20&t=yM_M54cO5KoYmLuPCXRdwA If true , interesting. Joe also created his own webpage josephkellyjr.com when he was a Dodger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 2,401 Posted July 3 So LaRussa was literally prohibited from using Kelly because of language Hahn wrote in his contract. I wonder how many file cabinets LaRussa punched because of that stupid decision. LOL 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chitownsportsfan 5,049 Posted July 3 What a stupid offseason. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ptatc 2,728 Posted July 3 (edited) It makes sense due to his injury. However I don't think I've ever heard of it put into a contract. I wonder if it changes due to his additional IL stint. Edited July 3 by ptatc 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron883 4,827 Posted July 3 I'd love to see what Leury's agent sneaked into his contract. "Must play 120+ games." 1 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KipWellsFan 164 Posted July 3 If Joe Kelly is solid the rest of the season I don't really take issue with this. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CentralChamps21 2,294 Posted July 3 2 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: So LaRussa was literally prohibited from using Kelly because of language Hahn wrote in his contract. I wonder how many file cabinets LaRussa punched because of that stupid decision. LOL Given that TLR seemingly has massive input in personnel decisions, I'm guessing he OK's this before Kelly signed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxjusttyped 3,321 Posted July 3 There were a dozen+ relievers available this off-season who were indistinguishable from Joe Kelly, so of course they signed the one who was inured, required multiple years to sign, and wouldn't be able to pitch consecutive days for the first 3 months of the season. This franchise is so dumb. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Texsox 1,864 Posted July 3 40 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: There were a dozen+ relievers available this off-season who were indistinguishable from Joe Kelly, so of course they signed the one who was inured, required multiple years to sign, and wouldn't be able to pitch consecutive days for the first 3 months of the season. This franchise is so dumb. Worst franchise in baseball. Perhaps in all of sports. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ptatc 2,728 Posted July 3 56 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: There were a dozen+ relievers available this off-season who were indistinguishable from Joe Kelly, so of course they signed the one who was inured, required multiple years to sign, and wouldn't be able to pitch consecutive days for the first 3 months of the season. This franchise is so dumb. There were a lot of relievers with a .98 WHIP and 3+ K/Bb ratio? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxjusttyped 3,321 Posted July 3 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: There were a lot of relievers with a .98 WHIP and 3+ K/Bb ratio? If you think that was sustainable for him, sure. But reliever performance is volatile for anyone, particularly guys who aren't strikeout monsters. Well run franchises should be able to find mid 3s ERA relievers (which is where all of the projection systems have him) in their system or on 1 year deals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ptatc 2,728 Posted July 3 1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said: If you think that was sustainable for him, sure. But reliever performance is volatile for anyone, particularly guys who aren't strikeout monsters. Well run franchises should be able to find mid 3s ERA relievers (which is where all of the projection systems have him) in their system or on 1 year deals. Maybe but ERA is very volatile as you say. I would look more at the WHIP and K or K rate when signing a reliever. Thise tend to be more consistent and indicative of performance. Although they still vary as you said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Texsox 1,864 Posted July 3 I'm wondering what Kelly gave up for that clause. $500,000? $1,000,000? But we signed him. Good franchises have their pick of quality players. They are everywhere, you just have to pick one. The easiest job anywhere is being a GM for a baseball team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeC 241 Posted July 4 3 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said: Given that TLR seemingly has massive input in personnel decisions, I'm guessing he OK's this before Kelly signed. Also, wasn’t Kelly basically a TLR decision? Like, TLR was the one who essentially recruited him to come? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southsider2k5 12,317 Posted July 4 5 hours ago, ron883 said: I'd love to see what Leury's agent sneaked into his contract. "Must play 120+ games." I thought the TLR reach around was a bit excessive, but it's Leury's deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
South Side Hit Men 2,661 Posted July 4 Ozzie or Ricky handling Joe Kelly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harold's Leg Lift 2,401 Posted July 4 4 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said: Given that TLR seemingly has massive input in personnel decisions, I'm guessing he OK's this before Kelly signed. Does he really or is he just the new scapegoat for teflon Hahn's many mistakes. If nothing else Kenny Williams can remove "Organiztion Boogeyman" from his business card. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ptatc 2,728 Posted July 4 10 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Does he really or is he just the new scapegoat for teflon Hahn's many mistakes. If nothing else Kenny Williams can remove "Organiztion Boogeyman" from his business card. Something more insidious probably happened. It was an organization decision. Not the blame of a single person without the input from others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron883 4,827 Posted July 4 (edited) Imagine still carrying water for TLR. Edited July 4 by ron883 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
South Side Hit Men 2,661 Posted July 4 Wait a minute, they signed him for two years $17M? He's 34 and has a 7.71 ERA with this ridiculous contract stipulation. I'm calling Illinois Adult Protective Services when they reopen on Tuesday, and requesting an elder abuse check on Jerry Reinsdorf. There is no telling what drugs they slipped him to sign off on several deals the past two seasons, including this jackass deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southsider2k5 12,317 Posted July 4 2 hours ago, ron883 said: Imagine still carrying water for TLR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
