RudyLawRules Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 http://www.startribune.com/stories/509/4253196.html "A baseball source reports the Chicago White Sox are offering a three-year contract to Twins closer Eddie Guardado for $15 million, while the Twins are offering a two-year deal for $8 million with a $4 million option for a third year." Sorry if this has already been posted. I know yesterday it was posted in Hartman's column that Sox were interested in Guardado but no offer at the time. Looks like offer may be official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Wow. That is huge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Wow. That is huge! Yeah that is huge, but the real question is how much of that money is deferred, because we all know, that it's not all up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Wow! That is big news. The only way they can do this is if they can ship out Koch to the Mets. 3 years $15 mill, I can live with that, especially if Everyday Eddie can keep up his production. Great find RudyLawRules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Yeah that is huge, but the real question is how much of that money is deferred, because we all know, that it's not all up front. Yeah at $5 MIL a year.... that sounds steep... Marte is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Even if it is deferred money, its more than what the Twins are offering. 15 for 3 is alot better than 8 an option for 12. I think this offer says Colon is gone and now they are putting their Colon money into other areas. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyLawRules Posted December 9, 2003 Author Share Posted December 9, 2003 Here's text if link does not work. Scroll down to "Jottings". Sid Hartman: Stadium would have aided Twins Sid Hartman, Star Tribune Published December 7, 2003 SIDH07 If the Minnesota Legislature had passed a reasonable baseball stadium bill last year or if it looked certain that a bill would be passed this year, one without a referendum, then you can be certain Twins owner Carl Pohlad would have raised the budget for the player salaries this year and LaTroy Hawkins, A.J. Pierzynski and Eric Milton would still be with the team. But that is not the case. The Twins payroll has gone from $24 million in 2001 to $41 million in 2002 and $56 million this past year. And it would have had to go to maybe $75 million in 2004 to keep the 2003 roster. It is easy for me to say Pohlad knows it might be more difficult to get a stadium bill passed now that the club has unloaded some superstars, and that it might have been smart for Pohlad to add to the budget this year and see what happened in regards to a new ballpark. Some members of the Legislature are going to complain about the Twins' personnel losses and use this as an excuse not to vote for a stadium bill. But when a team has lost millions of dollars over the past few years like the Twins have, it's not easy to add to the payroll. The big problem for both professional baseball and football in Minnesota is that without modern stadiums, the Twins and the Vikings can't compete with teams that have the new stadiums and the additional revenue that comes with them. So if the members of the Legislature want the Twins and the Vikings to be able to put winning teams on the field in the future, new stadiums are a must. Work on stadium Talking about stadiums, on Monday, the University of Minnesota will hold a news conference to announce the results of a feasibility study and the costs of a new football stadium on the campus. Dave Mona, the chairman of the Gophers football stadium project, is spending two days of his work week on campus trying to get the project moving. The big question is going to be where is the money going to come from. T. Denny Sanford, who originally announced he will contribute $35 million towards the construction of a new stadium, is telling friends that it's about 90 percent certain he won't be able to work out the payment schedule, the naming rights and other things concerning a new stadium. Negotiations with the university continue, but people who know Sanford say the deal won't work. Gov. Tim Pawlenty has made it clear that he is not in favor of two football stadiums, one for the Vikings and another for the Gophers. Meanwhile, more than one top alumnus has come out in favor of the University of Minnesota taking over the Metrodome when and if the Vikings and the Twins get new stadiums. I'm 100 percent in favor of a new Gophers football stadium on the campus. But it's going to be very difficult to raise $220 million for building a stadium seating 40,000 fans. And if you are going to build that type of smaller, cheaper stadium, Minnesota is never going to be a big-time football school. Randle back The Vikings were sure that defensive lineman John Randle had grown old and lost a lot of his ability to rush and sack quarterbacks. But Seattle thought otherwise and signed Randle to a five-year, $25 million contract in March 2001. And Randle took a $2 million pay cut and agreed to have his contract restructured so the Seahawks could improve their defense this past offseason. Today, Randle will return to the Metrodome in a Seahawks uniform. "I had a great time in the Twin Cities and it will be fun to be back in the Metrodome," Randle said. "That is a loud place and it will be interesting to be there on the other side of the excitement." Randle isn't a starter anymore, playing only in passing situations. But he has four sacks this year and 136 for his career. Two more will put him in fifth place in career sacks. Jottings A baseball source reports the Chicago White Sox are offering a three-year contract to Twins closer Eddie Guardado for $15 million, while the Twins are offering a two-year deal for $8 million with a $4 million option for a third year. Jac Sperling, Wild chief executive officer, said a story appearing in the Nov. 24-30 issue of the Street and Smith Business Journal -- saying that the team was turned down by the NHL when it tried to get a new mortgage of approximately $80 million for refinancing -- is inaccurate. "The league didn't turn us down -- we have our financing set at a lower interest than we had before," Sperling said. Sperling wouldn't say the amount of money that the new financing calls for. Vikings ticket manager Phil Huebner reports that 150 tickets for today's game against Seattle are available at the Metrodome ticket office. Michael Bauer, Ben Johnson, Kris Humphries, Moe Hargrow and Adam Boone have started every Gophers men's basketball game this year, including Saturday's victory over Western Illinois. They are the first all-Minnesota starting lineup for the team since 1960. . . . Gophers athletic director Joel Maturi said he has a number of Division I-AA football teams who are available to replace Baylor on the 2004 schedule. Baylor withdrew and will play the Gophers in a later season. However, Maturi continues to look for a big-time opponent to replace the Bears. . . . Jerod Arlich, a 6-4, 245-pound Mahtomedi fullback, was offered a Gophers scholarship the other night when coach Glen Mason made a home visit. . . . The word in NFL circles is that fullback Thomas Tapeh is top-rated among Gophers seniors when it comes to rankings about which players will be drafted. . . . Former Gophers gymnast Courtney Norman is an intern on the Alamo Bowl staff. . . . Dick Biddle, a former Gophers football assistant, is now the coach at Colgate, which advanced to the I-AA semifinals by beating Western Illinois on Saturday. Holy Angels hockey center Mike Taylor has verbally committed to Harvard for next season. Taylor chose the Crimson over Colorado College, the Gophers and Notre Dame. Taylor joins former Eden Prairie standout Dave Watters in Harvard's recruiting class. . . . Troy Davenport, a goalie who played for Simley last season, tied a United States Hockey League single-game season high in saves with 53 while playing for Green Bay last week. . . . Gophers hockey recruits have done well so far this season in the USHL. Tom Pohl, the younger brother of former Gophers star John Pohl, has six goals and 19 assists in 23 games for Tri-City and is tied for seventh in league scoring; Mike Howe has 15 goals and nine assists for River City and is tied for ninth in league scoring; former Mahtomedi standout Brent Borgen has seven goals and 13 assists in 25 games for Lincoln; and defenseman Derek Peltier has a goal and 14 assists in 22 games for Cedar Rapids. Sid Hartman can be heard weekdays on WCCO 830-AM at 6:40, 7:40 and 8:40 a.m. He is at shartman@startribune.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Hopefully, we'll get Eddie, trade Koch to the Mets for Weathers and then we'll have a solid pen. Then, go after Millwood or explore trade options for Perez and Garcia. Buerhle Loiaza Perez/Garcia/Millwood Garland Schoenweis or Minor Leaguer Guardado Marte Weathers Wunsch Wright Above average staff and okat bullpen, but the 3-headed monster could be dominant. Although, we will be relying on Esteban to have another superb season. Relistcally, I see Loiaza posting 3.50 and 18 wins-still pretty good numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 EG is he that much better than Marte I do not think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Wow.. Marte+Guardado. Wed have two of the best relievers in the AL. Then if we can gett Sullivan/Shoenweis back and we can get rid of Koch for payroll/he returns to good form, we got ourselves a bullpen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I don't see how this addresses a need. This is Marte's spot-- he doesn't cost any thing and is better. Guardado's Splits Marte's Splits Guardado did have a KILLER second half... the only way I see this playing out... is Guardado as the Closer.. and Marte as the #5 starter... he has expressed interest in starting. But he would have had to have been working on starting in the offseason already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 .. and Marte as the #5 starter... Hmmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Marte blew (no pun intended) when it came to saves, he went 11/18 in saves compared to Guardado's 41 saves and I think 5 blown saves. He is more durable than Marte and has been a closer and done the job consistency. Also, Sullivan won't becoming back to the Sox since he wasn't offered arbitration unless he waits until May 1st, ain't gonna happen. With Guardado and Marte, the two best lefty relievers in the AL, then add Wunsch,w ho gets the job done, we are lefty set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I don't see how this addresses a need. This is Marte's spot-- he doesn't cost any thing and is better. Guardado's Splits Marte's Splits Guardado did have a KILLER second half... the only way I see this playing out... is Guardado as the Closer.. and Marte as the #5 starter... he has expressed interest in starting. But he would have had to have been working on starting in the offseason already. Marte was never really the official closer. He probably was in our minds but, Koch, Osuna and Gordon were all the one's who had that closer status put on them by JM. Marte would still be the set-up followed by Eddie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Marte blew (no pun intended) when it came to saves, he went 11/18 in saves compared to Guardado's 41 saves and I think 5 blown saves. He is more durable than Marte and has been a closer and done the job consistency. Also, Sullivan won't becoming back to the Sox since he wasn't offered arbitration unless he waits until May 1st, ain't gonna happen. With Guardado and Marte, the two best lefty relievers in the AL, then add Wunsch,w ho gets the job done, we are lefty set. Blown saves can be misleading for nonclosers. I am almost positive that almost all of Marte's blown saves came when he came in with the tying run already on base and he allowed that runner to come in and score. It is much easier to get a blown save this way than to blow a save when you come in to start the 9th with no one on base like Guardado does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINWHEELS Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I LIKE THIS ADDITION IF REALLY HAPPENS. GET RID OF KROCH AND HAVE MARTE SET UP FOR EDDIE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Guardado would be a great sign IF we know Botch will be traded. I do not want to be stuck with a 11 million dollar closer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Guardado would be a great sign IF we know Botch will be traded. I do not want to be stuck with a 11 million dollar closer... exactly if we can get eddie and somehow get rid of koch.....we are set for our bullpen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Getting Eddie would be huge because of two things: 1) We would be getting a great reliever.(Obviously) 2) We would be taking away a great reliever from out division rival, who we are gonna have to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I still say Wright has the stuff to be an extremely dominant RH set guy. His stuff is eerily similar to Eric Gagne and their numbers as starters are the same too. Even Sandy Alomar said last year if they let Denny pitch one inning, and he knew that was all he would pitch, he could get his Fastball up to 95-97 and really hammer his Knuckle Curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 That'd be awesome! Come on Eddie, come to ChiTown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I still say Wright has the stuff to be an extremely dominant RH set guy. His stuff is eerily similar to Eric Gagne and their numbers as starters are the same too. Even Sandy Alomar said last year if they let Denny pitch one inning, and he knew that was all he would pitch, he could get his Fastball up to 95-97 and really hammer his Knuckle Curve. I agree Wright definetly has the stuff and make up to become a DOMINANT late inning guy...He's good for a couple of innings and then he breaks down when he starts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 Marte blew (no pun intended) when it came to saves, he went 11/18 in saves compared to Guardado's 41 saves and I think 5 blown saves. He is more durable than Marte and has been a closer and done the job consistency. Also, Sullivan won't becoming back to the Sox since he wasn't offered arbitration unless he waits until May 1st, ain't gonna happen. With Guardado and Marte, the two best lefty relievers in the AL, then add Wunsch,w ho gets the job done, we are lefty set. Marte did blow saves, but it wasn't really in SAVE OPPORTUNITIES.... He actually blew a HOLD which goes down as a blown SAVE.... They didn't however cost us games, as evidenced by his 4-2 record. The previous year he was 10 of 12.... Jerry cost him a bunch of those saves this year... Coming in to the bases loaded in the 7th or 8th in a 1 run game and allowing a run to score can be a "blown save" even though it doesn't go against his ERA... It does increase the perception that he didn't get the job done... Really you can make the Stats do tricks but, Guardado came in routinely with no one one and nobody out and pitched the ninth... Marte was our go-to-guy, he cleaned up other peoples messes... which is more valuable.?.. Look at the way the Oakland staff is handled... Over the past few years the thier closers don't blow any saves... WHY??? because they are not put in the situation to blow the save... only to earn one.. that's how we got stuck with Billy Kock... our front office didn't understand the importance of this.. Foulke was not put in the save situations, had really only one bad month -- which was almost the same as kock that month-- the only stat foulke was not the same or comparable in was Saves --and he only blew 3 of those..Kock blew 6 Here's there 2002 stats.... Koch Foulke It's right there in the numbers... scroll down to the month by month breakdown... they are eerily similar... yet we chose to get rid of foulke because "he couldn't save games" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I still say Wright has the stuff to be an extremely dominant RH set guy. His stuff is eerily similar to Eric Gagne and their numbers as starters are the same too. Even Sandy Alomar said last year if they let Denny pitch one inning, and he knew that was all he would pitch, he could get his Fastball up to 95-97 and really hammer his Knuckle Curve. yeah, and Gagne took a similar path as a struggling right-handed starter with the potential to dominate with his raw stuff. The he moved to the closer's role and the rest is history. Alhtough he doesn't have the control of a Gagne, but his raw talent is close to that of Gagne's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 I still say Wright has the stuff to be an extremely dominant RH set guy. His stuff is eerily similar to Eric Gagne and their numbers as starters are the same too. Even Sandy Alomar said last year if they let Denny pitch one inning, and he knew that was all he would pitch, he could get his Fastball up to 95-97 and really hammer his Knuckle Curve. I've been saying this for a while.. I see DW as the closer of the future for the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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