upnorthsox Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Am I alone here in thinking that if his plan is to test the market then he's gonna bust his ass out there. Don't trade him, let him put up monster #'s, use that to our advantage, then get all we can for him in July. Maggs on is deadly at the plate. No..? Actually, my impression is that he's going to try to stay healthy(ie no SB's, little D) and hit HR's. Little else. I'm not sure that the kind of Maggs I want on my team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVVY18 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 HockeyTown will not spend money two years in a row, not without winning the CUP. Montreal is dumping salary, not signing big name guys like Maggs? He will never go to Montreal. :fyou DETROIT!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Actually, my impression is that he's going to try to stay healthy(ie no SB's, little D) and hit HR's. Little else. I'm not sure that the kind of Maggs I want on my team. If he thinks he's going to get $15 million a year he's going to have to shove a few horseshoes up his rear and play like he's never played before. No way he's cautious if he wants to get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 If he thinks he's going to get $15 million a year he's going to have to shove a few horseshoes up his rear and play like he's never played before. No way he's cautious if he wants to get paid. He may have a moron for an agent or what if he just does not want to play here? The guy can not hit in cold weather therefore he may give a discount to a San Diego, Texas, Tampa, etc. the warmer the weather the better the player. The money thing could be a smokescreen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 He may have a moron for an agent or what if he just does not want to play here? The guy can not hit in cold weather therefore he may give a discount to a San Diego, Texas, Tampa, etc. the warmer the weather the better the player. The money thing could be a smokescreen. Could be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 If he thinks he's going to get $15 million a year he's going to have to shove a few horseshoes up his rear and play like he's never played before. No way he's cautious if he wants to get paid. You won't get paid anything if you're hurt, his rep is already solidified this season won't help or hurt him there, what he needs now are good power #'s and to stay healthy. He's admitted as much himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkiconk Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 anyone know who maggs' agent is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I think a deal similar to Tejada's deal is fair, but he's not worth Vlady money. If we do lose him after next yr, they'll sign someone to replace him. The free agent market next yr is going to be loaded with talent. I don't know why he seems to think the market is going up again, I can see it being even worse next offseason. I want him to stay with the Sox, but not at the expensive of the team remaining competitive with such a limited payroll. We cannot continue to make him 25% of the payroll, it won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Do not be surprised if he lands with the Cubs......they will be losing Moises Alou and his 9 mill salary I have LITTLE doubt that Mr. Maddux is in a Cub uni this year. And I tihnk you meant Karros because Alou is their everyday LF in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I think a deal similar to Tejada's deal is fair, but he's not worth Vlady money. If we do lose him after next yr, they'll sign someone to replace him. The free agent market next yr is going to be loaded with talent. I don't know why he seems to think the market is going up again, I can see it being even worse next offseason. I want him to stay with the Sox, but not at the expensive of the team remaining competitive with such a limited payroll. We cannot continue to make him 25% of the payroll, it won't work. I was thinking that all Maggs has to do is look at where the Yankees are at, and bet on the fact that they will pay him more than he's worth next year because they will need a corner OF. Maybe he won't get $14 million, but he'll get close to that I'm sure. I bet the Yankees would love to trade for him right now, but they have s*** in their minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I was thinking that all Maggs has to do is look at where the Yankees are at, and bet on the fact that they will pay him more than he's worth next year because they will need a corner OF. Maybe he won't get $14 million, but he'll get close to that I'm sure. I bet the Yankees would love to trade for him right now, but they have s*** in their minors. Who are you planning on them putting in CF then, Matsui? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Who are you planning on them putting in CF then, Matsui? Yah, maybe Matsui, or maybe they would sign a CF too. Steinbrenner's going to be awfully pissed when the Yankees don't make the playoffs this year. Trust me, they ain't going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Yah, maybe Matsui, or maybe they would sign a CF too. Steinbrenner's going to be awfully pissed when the Yankees don't make the playoffs this year. Trust me, they ain't going. They might only have the 3rd best pitching staff in the AL East... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 They might only have the 3rd best pitching staff in the AL East... That's defintely possible. I look at that team, and without even getting into how bad defensively they are, I see: Giambi--If he has to play 1st regularly, he'll get hurt Brown--old, he'll get hurt Rivera--getting up there, seems to be getting less durable, more hittable every year. Williams--no range left, no power left. Matsui--overrated, with all the pitchers having a year to prep for him Sheffield--due to be injured, or start complaining 3rd Base--Mike Lamb? Who? Graig Nettles? Bullpen--dependent upon a healthy Tom Gordon? Good luck. A LOT of things can go wrong very easily for the Yanks. I'm guessing that many do, or at least I hope so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Am I alone here in thinking that if his plan is to test the market then he's gonna bust his ass out there. Don't trade him, let him put up monster #'s, use that to our advantage, then get all we can for him in July. Maggs on is deadly at the plate. No..? Your assumption then is that the Sox won't be in the hunt come June/July? I think they will be there and will be picking up players and not trading them. I would hope we negotiate in good faith for Maggs and that he and his agent reciprocate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Am I alone here in thinking that if his plan is to test the market then he's gonna bust his ass out there. Don't trade him, let him put up monster #'s, use that to our advantage, then get all we can for him in July. Maggs on is deadly at the plate. No..? 1100 OPS and 140 RBI from Maggs is fine by me. It's time Mr. Nameless Superstar put up or shut up anywayz. All that "Maggs is better than Sosa" spouted by every Sox fan under the sun in the last 4 years alway made me laugh and laugh. So when he does win the MVP and brings the Sox to ALCS this year, then he may command 14-15 Mill per. And I'll be happy for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Also this on Maggs from ESPN, he has da 3rd most hits of any player in this century so far. 3. Magglio Ordonez 747 .314 And look at this stat, Most GIDPs -- Paul Konerko 84, Magglio Ordonez 83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Your assumption then is that the Sox won't be in the hunt come June/July? I think they will be there and will be picking up players and not trading them. I would hope we negotiate in good faith for Maggs and that he and his agent reciprocate. MT, you caught me cause I honestly can not answer this question. Will we be in the hunt.. and if we are.. will it be because of Maggs..? Or will it be because Loaiza is kicking ass again? Our struggles with offense HUGE last year. They couldn't hit their way out of a wet paper bag most days. Will Aaron come on strong? Will Crede knock the cover off the ball consistantly? Will Frank tear it up again.. all year long? Not to mention Lee having another stellar year? Will those guys be able to keep producing IF Maggs is traded for pitching..? Or maybe we can trade him for a so-so RF'er to just hold his own out there? I guess it all depends on where we are in June/July. So many questions.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFUNK91 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Mags needs to understand that if he wants to stay with the team that gave him his first opportunity or w/e he's gonna have to REALISTIC... he's not gonna get what he wants here in chicago obviously.. he might as well be traded for some staring pitching... like FREDDY GARCIA CUBS SUCK! :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieHarris2 Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 i think they'll give him the money cuz they could easily franchise him. KW will either trade him or give him the big money he wants so either way the cubs will still suck and yes the sox do need some solid pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 We can't get that now for Maggs, let alone at the trade deadline. Expect less in July. OK then trade his ass right now. Listen I am not fourteen and in love with this guy. If he wants to wait until after the season then we take a risk. Trade him and get some top prospects and one starting pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 OK then trade his ass right now. Listen I am not fourteen and in love with this guy. If he wants to wait until after the season then we take a risk. Trade him and get some top prospects and one starting pitcher. Exactly. This shouldn't be hard for people to understand. The fly in the ointment though TQ is you have very few teams who are willing to take on that salary in February. If they're going to lose him to free agency and it seems they're resigned to the fact they will, shop him. But who's got room for 14 million? The Dodgers? They already want Konerko, Frank, etc. and now Maggs? The Sox need another well to dig. I don't think there are any others out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Matsui--overrated How do you figure? The guy is GG caliber LF'er. Good speed for a #5 hitter A clutch run-producer. Hit very well in the playoffs, which many players including Tejada, Chavez, Nomar did not. Has only began adjusting to two-seamers. If anything, HE will fare better having seen enough MLB pitchers not the other way around. At 4-5 Mill or whatever it is he is making he is definately a solid bargain....when you consider how much extra attention he brings to his team AND the kind of Asian following he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Yah, maybe Matsui, or maybe they would sign a CF too. Steinbrenner's going to be awfully pissed when the Yankees don't make the playoffs this year. Trust me, they ain't going. From what I have read the Yanks want Beltran. They will go after him either at the trading deadline or after the year as a free agent. They would move Bernie to DH or LF to keep him from getting injured all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Exactly. This shouldn't be hard for people to understand. The fly in the ointment though TQ is you have very few teams who are willing to take on that salary in February. If they're going to lose him to free agency and it seems they're resigned to the fact they will, shop him. But who's got room for 14 million? The Dodgers? They already want Konerko, Frank, etc. and now Maggs? The Sox need another well to dig. I don't think there are any others out there. Jim, I don't think the dodgers want two or even three of our guys. Just one, like I posted on another subject to you, I do not think Thomas is going anywhere. See my other posts to you. As far as other teams 1) Dodgers 2) Seattle 3) Mets Hey as long as we get something for him whether its now or closer to the deadline, I don't care. Also, anytime this guy wants to step up and say he will sign a contract with the Sox for 11-12 million then fine, lets sign him. Personally I think its one or two things stopping him from doing that: 1) He wants to move on 2) His agent has him convinced he will get 14 or 15 million next year. (which he won't) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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