fathom Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Ozzie has had a string of terrible managing decisions lately. Not only does he continue to let the other teams best players continue to beat us, but he has no clue when to make switches, etc. NO way should Frank have been in the field after he batted in the 9th. Not having Willie bunt in the 8th was puzzling. The Sox needed to make sure that Frank got an AB w/the go-ahead run in scoring position. Also, Miguel Olivo should not get a lot of time against rhp. He's too easy of an out if he's not facing a lefty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Just been bad lately, but he can turn it around when go back home we need to go on a run where we win about 7out of 10 or something because we have been struggling badly in June so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 I just hope this isn't a downward sprial that leaves us in 4th place. Garland shouldn't of been left in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Yeah that was a poor day for Ozzie in managing decisions. Â Physical Mistakes I can live with, Mental Mistakes I cannot. Â Ozzie should have: Â -Taken Thomas out for the 9th and brought in Konerko -Taken Jon Garland out for the 9th, he looked tired in the dugout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2004 Author Share Posted June 20, 2004 Looking at the talent on the Twins and Indians, I really wonder if the Sox can finish ahead of these teams this year. In years past, the Sox were more talented. However, the Indians have a better staff than the Sox this year, and the Twins staff is equal to the Sox. Now, the Indians have a bad bullpen, but the Twins bullpen is superior ot the Sox. In terms of offensive players, I really think that the Indians and Twins have better talent than the Sox do. You dont see them having to start a Gload, Perez, or Harris everyday. I guess this is what ahppens when you don't sign any free agents during the offseason, and your minor league system is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Looking at the talent on the Twins and Indians, I really wonder if the Sox can finish ahead of these teams this year. In years past, the Sox were more talented. However, the Indians have a better staff than the Sox this year, and the Twins staff is equal to the Sox. Now, the Indians have a bad bullpen, but the Twins bullpen is superior ot the Sox. In terms of offensive players, I really think that the Indians and Twins have better talent than the Sox do. You dont see them having to start a Gload, Perez, or Harris everyday. I guess this is what ahppens when you don't sign any free agents during the offseason, and your minor league system is a joke. We'll stay ahead of the Indians. I'm not worried about Minnesota either. I'm worried about losing in the first round of the playoffs with what we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 ya i was pretty surprised Garland was sent out for the 9th. Even though he was pitching well, he was already over 100 pitches. Ozzie leaves pitchers in too long, for the most part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 ya i was pretty surprised Garland was sent out for the 9th. Even though he was pitching well, he was already over 100 pitches. Ozzie leaves pitchers in too long, for the most part Ozzie=Dusty Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Looking at the talent on the Twins and Indians, I really wonder if the Sox can finish ahead of these teams this year. In years past, the Sox were more talented. However, the Indians have a better staff than the Sox this year, and the Twins staff is equal to the Sox. Now, the Indians have a bad bullpen, but the Twins bullpen is superior ot the Sox. In terms of offensive players, I really think that the Indians and Twins have better talent than the Sox do. You dont see them having to start a Gload, Perez, or Harris everyday. I guess this is what ahppens when you don't sign any free agents during the offseason, and your minor league system is a joke. Glad you decided to join the boards to b**** and moan. :fyou   We're in national league parks, no DH, which means we sit either our best hitter (Frank) or 3rd best hitter (Paulie) while our 2nd best hitter (Maggs) is on the DL. It's tough to muster offense when 2 of your 3 best hitters aren't in a game. Take Guerrero and Anderson out of Anaheim's lineup and see how they do, take Blalock and Soriano out of Texas' lineup and see how they do, take Cabrera and Lowell out of Florida's lineup and see how they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2004 Author Share Posted June 20, 2004 That's the thing, when you're missing some of your better players, you need to make smart managerial decisions. If Ozzie can only play Frank or Konerko, he needs to take advantage of each player's stengths. Therefore, he should have done a double-switch after Frank batted in the 9th to get Konerko in the field and batting if there were a 10th inning. Hell, on Friday night, Ozzie screwed up in how he handled it. He had Frank pinch hit in a spot where the Expos could intentionally walk him, instead of letting him bat with men on 1st and 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 Glad you decided to join the boards to b**** and moan. :fyou   We're in national league parks, no DH, which means we sit either our best hitter (Frank) or 3rd best hitter (Paulie) while our 2nd best hitter (Maggs) is on the DL. It's tough to muster offense when 2 of your 3 best hitters aren't in a game. Take Guerrero and Anderson out of Anaheim's lineup and see how they do, take Blalock and Soriano out of Texas' lineup and see how they do, take Cabrera and Lowell out of Florida's lineup and see how they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsonmi Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 You can't take Frank out during a tie game. He's been the best hitter on the team in recent weeks. That would be a MORONIC decision. If we were winning it would make sense. Otherwise, you need to keep him in there. Â I think Ozzie stays with his starters too long too but the front four have been as good as any front four starters in baseball so far this year so its hard to argue with results. His pitchers are much more confident than they were under Manuel. It's all about results. We obviously need a fifth starter and we obviously need help in the pen. I don't think you can blame that on Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 20, 2004 Author Share Posted June 20, 2004 So if taking out Frank is a moronic deciision, than why did he do it against the Marlins on Thursday during a tie game in extra innings? That was an even worse decision cause he coudl have had Willie pinch run for him, and Frank was eventually caught stealing. Then, Ozzie replaced Frank for defensive reasons in the bottom half of the inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 So if taking out Frank is a moronic deciision, than why did he do it against the Marlins on Thursday during a tie game in extra innings? That was an even worse decision cause he coudl have had Willie pinch run for him, and Frank was eventually caught stealing. Then, Ozzie replaced Frank for defensive reasons in the bottom half of the inning. Frank had some sort of injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confederate_48 Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 One thing that annoys me is how he always leaves pitchers in to long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 One thing that annoys me is how he always leaves pitchers in to long That is basically the whole problem with him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted June 20, 2004 Share Posted June 20, 2004 He sure left Munoz in too long. That game was Ozzie's loss. And he does not use Shingo enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan79 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Looking at the talent on the Twins and Indians, I really wonder if the Sox can finish ahead of these teams this year. In years past, the Sox were more talented. However, the Indians have a better staff than the Sox this year, and the Twins staff is equal to the Sox. Now, the Indians have a bad bullpen, but the Twins bullpen is superior ot the Sox. In terms of offensive players, I really think that the Indians and Twins have better talent than the Sox do. You dont see them having to start a Gload, Perez, or Harris everyday. I guess this is what ahppens when you don't sign any free agents during the offseason, and your minor league system is a joke. The Indians would be running away with the division if they didn't have the worst bullpen in the history of baseball. They no doubt have the best starting pitching in the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Looking at the talent on the Twins and Indians, I really wonder if the Sox can finish ahead of these teams this year. In years past, the Sox were more talented. However, the Indians have a better staff than the Sox this year, and the Twins staff is equal to the Sox. Now, the Indians have a bad bullpen, but the Twins bullpen is superior ot the Sox. In terms of offensive players, I really think that the Indians and Twins have better talent than the Sox do. You dont see them having to start a Gload, Perez, or Harris everyday. I guess this is what ahppens when you don't sign any free agents during the offseason, and your minor league system is a joke. The sky is falling, the sky is falling... :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Some of Ozzies decisions lately have been questionable. But it's really easy to make that call after the game, and result of those decisions are appearent. Â There's no reason to relieve Garland before the 9th. He had a one hitter going, and had gone 1-2-3 in 7 of the 8 innings so far. Don't give me bulls*** about pitchcouts. In that situation, JG didn't care how many pitches he had thrown. He wanted the win, the only way he could get it was by getting through the 9th. Ozzie wanted him to get the win. The team wanted him to get the win. You wanted him to get the win. He deserved the win. Â Maybe Ozzie should have had the bullpen up incase Garland got in trouble in the 9th. But Garland didn't get in trouble. He retired the first batter, and the second should have been out easily at first. JG had shown nothing to indicate that he wouldn't be able to get the next two out, after the "double". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I agree, the Twins and Indians do have way better but are CF is not the worse...its our pitching...he has to take out the starters that are giving up runs or are loosin their gas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox311 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Garland influenced ozzie very much he told ozzie to "keep him in their" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Garland influenced ozzie very much he told ozzie to "keep him in their" Obviously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Looking at the talent on the Twins and Indians, I really wonder if the Sox can finish ahead of these teams this year. In years past, the Sox were more talented. However, the Indians have a better staff than the Sox this year, and the Twins staff is equal to the Sox. Now, the Indians have a bad bullpen, but the Twins bullpen is superior ot the Sox. In terms of offensive players, I really think that the Indians and Twins have better talent than the Sox do. You dont see them having to start a Gload, Perez, or Harris everyday. I guess this is what ahppens when you don't sign any free agents during the offseason, and your minor league system is a joke. I guess that this was what beck72 was referring to when he mentioned a pile of s*** with flies swarming all around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 What was wrong with playing Willie nearly every day? Last I checked, he had one of the best averages on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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