SoxFan562004 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 If the LA/AZ/NY deal goes down I would love to hear why the Sox 3-way didn't go down.... Either KW balked at giving up too much or NY/AZ really didn't want what Sox were offering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Atleast we can finally end these ridiculous Randy Johnson trade discussions. As of right now, the following options remain: -Overpay for Clement/Perez -Sign cheap 5th starter and assemble various IF pieces -Overwhelm club with talent/prospects in trade -Hold onto money until July. I would have to go with either of the first two at this point... There's no guarantee the Sox won't be sellers instead of buyers come July and I don't know who else is out there via trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 i dont really think johnson is worth 17 mill a year, and the talent we would have to give up and still have the ??? for the 5th starter, and with johnsons age up there i think that is just to many ???? the money would be better used to sign a FA sp and a catcher i think willie will do great this year for the record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Is this Garland, Marte, Sweeney and a prospect deal for real? Has it been verified, and if so, has it already been taken off the table? That has Kenny written all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Atleast we can finally end these ridiculous Randy Johnson trade discussions. What the f*** is so ridiculous about them? What Arizona is offering, or because you think we're nuts that KW could get RJ or RJ would even come here? It was reported that KW was going to go after him, and then USA Today reported that RJ's Agents said RJ would accept a trade to the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 The only thing ridiculous would be the look on my face if this deal gets done. Understand people, Randy Johnson would be the best thing that happened to the White Sox since who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 The guy is 40, it shouldn't cost us Marte. This trade weakens the bullpen once again. I say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 The guy is 40, it shouldn't cost us Marte. This trade weakens the bullpen once again. I say no. It shouldnt cost us Marte? So you want ARZ to give away a franchise player for say Diaz instead? You're crazy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 It shouldnt cost us Marte? So you want ARZ to give away a franchise player for say Diaz instead? You're crazy... he does have health issues, and is making 17 mill a year....... right now no one makes over 10 mill a year on the sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traydragen Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I agree with Dylan and Soxfan, this a huggge risk to take on this guy.. If we were to give up Garland + Marte and one of our top prospects; the guy needs to be a "shut down" pitcher with no chance for an "off-year". We would still have to fill a 5th starter's spot after this, and with what money? I say just get Clement/Lowe or whoever else and have our pitching filled out, with a significantly better bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 When has Randy Johnson not been a shut down pitcher, or when was the last time he had an off year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 When has Randy Johnson not been a shut down pitcher, or when was the last time he had an off year? In 2003 he was hurt, but STILL put up more impressive numbers than Jon Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 In 2003 he was hurt, but STILL put up more impressive numbers than Jon Garland. While getting paid five times more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I can't believe that some of you would rather keep a left handed reliever with a mid three era last season than get one of the best pitchers of all time, who has yet to show signs of slowing... Left handed reliever or 18-20 game winner....hmmm....tough one.... As far as money goes, if JR allows for RJ to be on this team, I think it should almost be a given that he's increasing payroll... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 While getting paid five times more money. While bringing twice as many fans to the ballpark and making the Sox national news. He will pay for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 While bringing twice as many fans to the ballpark and making the Sox national news. He will pay for himself. Ding Ding Ding. The White Sox welcome Randy Johnson! You're telling me you guys wouldn't smile uncontrollably at Soxfest when Kenny introduces the Big Unit. C'mon. PR Explosion. Risk a bit of the future to win now. This kind of deal won't come around again for ages. He's one of the best ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 In 2003 he was hurt, but STILL put up more impressive numbers than Jon Garland. garland is a 12-15 game winner so ill take 13 to be in the middle, johnson with no 5th start ill go with 18 wins garland+fa pitcher=25-30 wins(assuming 10 mill on sp) 13 mill johnson+warm body-marte= 20-22 wins=17 mill you do the math!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 he does have health issues, and is making 17 mill a year....... right now no one makes over 10 mill a year on the sox. $1 mil of that is a personal services payment and would still be up to Arizona for payment, another $6 mil of that is defered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 garland is a 12-15 game winner so ill take 13 to be in the middle, johnson with no 5th start ill go with 18 wins garland+fa pitcher=25-30 wins(assuming 10 mill on sp) 13 mill johnson+warm body= 20-22 wins=17 mill you do the math!!! You cannot say garland is a 12-15 game winner since garland has never won more than 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 garland is a 12-15 game winner so ill take 13 to be in the middle, johnson with no 5th start ill go with 18 wins garland+fa pitcher=23-25 wins(assuming 10 mill on sp) 13 mill johnson+warm body= 20-22 wins=17 mill you do the math!!! Garland 12-11 4.89 ERA on 83 win team RJ 16-14 2.60 ERA on 51 win team Johnson could have easily won 22 games with an playoff contending team last season, with the way he was pitching... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 You cannot say garland is a 12-15 game winner since garland has never won more than 12. i went with 13 for my #'s witch is very possible for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Some more math... Johnson won 31% of ARZ's games... 31% of Sox wins=26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 i went with 13 for my #'s witch is very possible for him. Then I guess RJ should be considered a 22 game winner.... Oh wait he's already done that and more (24 wins in 2002) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Some more math... Johnson won 31% of ARZ's games... 31% of Sox wins=26 i doubt a 40-41 year old will be able to start 50 games in the next 2 seasons at 17 mill a pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 garland is a 12-15 game winner so ill take 13 to be in the middle, johnson with no 5th start ill go with 18 wins garland+fa pitcher=25-30 wins(assuming 10 mill on sp) 13 mill johnson+warm body-marte= 20-22 wins=17 mill you do the math!!! I think your math there is a little off. Garland will probably win between 10-12, whatever free agent we sign will probably win between 12-15. Johnson will probably win between 19-23, and the warm body will probably do 6-10. So the worst to best case scenario for Garland and the FA is 22-27, while the worst case scenario for RJ, warm body is 25-33. Not a huge difference, but when you get to the playoffs, and teams have to face RJ, Garcia, and Buerhle, that's where it really pays off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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