beck72 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I was curious about those quotes by his agent also. I could understand not wanting to go to a place like NY because of media scrutiny and such, but the writer's speculation that he maybe back off on Cleveland because he would maybe be considered their ace, although Sabbathia is a better pitcher, is a huge red flag IMO. The only words quoted are "the savior". Is he a #1? No. Would he be on certain teams? AZ, Yes. cle? No. Maybe he'd put too much pressure on himself to prove he was the staff ace [which leads to overthrowing and better chances to get hurt], who knows. there are solid reasons why people wouldn't want Clement on the sox. But I wouldn't be scared off of him because of a writer's speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I think the quotes deals with Clement coming in and replacing Pedro. Any top SP who does go there will be asked to fill in right where Pedro left off. That is entirely not true. Boston fans are smart, and they know very well Matt Clement is no Pedro Martinez. They also know, however, he has the talent to be a starter commanding the upper part of their rotation. Clement has no confidence. He's no gamer. If he can't get excited to accept a large role for the defending world champions at the likely price they would agree to pay him, then I'm not very excited to commit to his paralyzing self-doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 That is entirely not true. Boston fans are smart, and they know very well Matt Clement is no Pedro Martinez. They also know, however, he has the talent to be a starter commanding the upper part of their rotation. Clement has no confidence. He's no gamer. If he can't get excited to accept a large role for the defending world champions at the likely price they would agree to pay him, then I'm not very excited to commit to his paralyzing self-doubt. I understand what you are saying, but you are not in Red Sox nation. I don't think he is worried about what the team thinks...he's worried about replacing two pitchers, Pedro and Schilling (at least for the beginning of the year). The fans will get on him hard. Perhaps he knows himself well enough. Personally, I wouldn't want to pitch in Philly...those fans are brutal. of course, if I got 3 yrs/$30 mil...that could probably change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAF_11F4H Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 (edited) That is entirely not true. Boston fans are smart, and they know very well Matt Clement is no Pedro Martinez. They also know, however, he has the talent to be a starter commanding the upper part of their rotation. Clement has no confidence. He's no gamer. If he can't get excited to accept a large role for the defending world champions at the likely price they would agree to pay him, then I'm not very excited to commit to his paralyzing self-doubt. Then he would be grossly overpayed at $9+M a year. If he wants to slink down to a #2 or #3 pitcher in a rotation where he doesn't have to worry about pitching "with so much pressure", then he should be worth no more than $6-7M a year. EDIT: Use the extra $3M to buy him a set of balls. Edited December 17, 2004 by USAF_11F4H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Then he would be grossly overpayed at $9+M a year. If he wants to slink down to a #2 or #3 pitcher in a rotation where he doesn't have to worry about pitching "with so much pressure", then he should be worth no more than $6-7M a year. EDIT: Use the extra $3M to buy him a set of balls. Haha, good point. He wants #1 starter money, but #4 starter expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelatinoheat_30 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Looking at it realistically, he was the #4 SP for the cubs. i think that had something to do w/ prior, maddux, and zambrano being in the rotation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWs OK for Me Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I'm happy with the fact that we are trying to sign him to be our #3 pitcher when both the Angels and BoSox are trying to sign him to be their #2. That makes me feel good about our team ( now if we had the same Offense they had I'd feel great ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 i think that had something to do w/ prior, maddux, and zambrano being in the rotation Clement was there 2nd best pitcher last year..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWs OK for Me Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Clement was there 2nd best pitcher last year..... Is that why he got benched? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 SAY NO TO CLEMENT.. Overpaying for Medicore talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Is that why he got benched? Health reasons too. Let's just get a f***ing pitcher already. Thankfully I didn't see our name mentioned in the Eric Milton sweepstakes. Boston is trying to buy him now: Agent Casey Close said the Red Sox have entered the running for Eric Milton. Besides the Red Sox, the teams competing for Milton include the Cardinals, Dodgers, Indians, Angels and Marlins, Close said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWs OK for Me Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 SAY NO TO CLEMENT.. Overpaying for Medicore talent. Say yes to what than? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 This is a very interesting thread. Lot's of opinions and most very valid. Keep up the good work boys and girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Say yes to what than? Orlando Cabrera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Say yes to what than? Trading for AJ burnett.. Made 2.5 mil last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 SAY NO TO CLEMENT.. Overpaying for Medicore talent. Yeah, why would we want a strikeout pitcher with a low ERA and low WHIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Clement has no confidence. He's no gamer. If he can't get excited to accept a large role for the defending world champions at the likely price they would agree to pay him, then I'm not very excited to commit to his paralyzing self-doubt. I'm glad we at soxtalk have a staff of trained pychologists ready to diagnose potential Sox players based on a sportswriters' speculation. I'm satisfied. Let's get him counseling, then maybe sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Trading for AJ burnett.. Made 2.5 mil last year The Marlins have said they would only trade Burnett if they got Hudson in return. What do you think A.J's trade value would be considering how little money he makes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I'm glad we at soxtalk have a staff of trained pychologists ready to diagnose potential Sox players based on a sportswriters' speculation. I'm satisfied. Let's get him counseling, then maybe sign him. Counseling is NOT in the budget! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Counseling is NOT in the budget! I'm sure some posters here would gladly donate some couch time if it meant getting that SP hole filled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I'm sure some posters here would gladly donate some couch time if it meant getting that SP hole filled. I'd be too busy screaming at Garland "WHAT THE f*** IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOU'VE MADE NO IMPROVEMENTS SINCE COMING HERE! YOU'RE A FORMER FIRST ROUND PICK BY THE CUBS!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I'd be too busy screaming at Garland "WHAT THE f*** IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOU'VE MADE NO IMPROVEMENTS SINCE COMING HERE! YOU'RE A FORMER FIRST ROUND PICK BY THE CUBS!!!" that wouldn't be part of my intervention. Jon would more likely be helped by a hug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthraxFan93 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Yeah, why would we want a strikeout pitcher with a low ERA and low WHIP. So paying a guy who Career ERA is .34 lower than Garland we should pay more than Marky/Freddy.. Yeah that makes $ence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 So paying a guy who Career ERA is .34 lower than Garland we should pay more than Marky/Freddy.. Yeah that makes $ence. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 So paying a guy who Career ERA is .34 lower than Garland we should pay more than Marky/Freddy.. Yeah that makes $ence. It's all about the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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