SoxFan1 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Garland - 20 wins (something he's completely capable of) call me crazy but garland could surprise us all this year, and could be the missing link that will bring us to the world series Shouldn't that be in green. BUT, mark my words, if I am wrong and Garland does win 20 games and take us to the World Series, I will give you 20 dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 I'm shocked that Garland's biggest fans on this board only have him penciled in for 12-13 wins. MB: 20 FG: 17 JC: 15 JG: 14 OH:11 Hell I hate the guy but I think if he steps it up this year he will have 20+ wins. If that happens, and everyone else works up to expectations, we'll go to the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Buehrle - 21 wins Garcia - 18 wins Garland - 20 wins (something he's completely capable of) Contreras - 13 wins El Duque - 11 wins (he wont get very many starts, ebing in the fifth spot) 83 wins by our starting rotation, call me crazy but garland could surprise us all this year, and could be the missing link that will bring us to the world series im a garland fan but all i have to say about garland leading our sox to a WS title is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pods70Rowand33 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Garcia=16 Buehrle=19 El Duque=12 Contreras=15 Garland=13 We need to keep our eye on El Duque, and not overwork him...like everyone has been saying we need to limit him, and occasionally throwin in hermanson or cotts for a start to give him some extra time for rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Shouldn't that be in green. BUT, mark my words, if I am wrong and Garland does win 20 games and take us to the World Series, I will give you 20 dollars. I like making bold predictions, and i think that garland has the ability to win 20 games (dont get me wrong he may win 11 games and continue to be the most hated man in our rotation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 im a garland fan but all i have to say about garland leading our sox to a WS title is.... well he wont really be doing the leading, but the extra ten wins he'll give us will give us the playoff berth and dependable 3rd starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Buerhle - 18 Garcia - 17 Hernandez - 12 Contreras - 12 Garland - 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 MB = 20 Garcia = 17 Contrearas = 12 Hernandez = 12 Garland - 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Let me put it another way. Does a team play a game with the expectation of winning or losing? The answer is winning. Wins are expected. So you plan against losses. I really don't care how many games Garland wins but the starters as a whole can't have more than 50 losses. For every 10+ loss Garland racks up a starter has to make up that difference. If Garland has only 10 losses in 2004 in 30+GS he's done his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 I like making bold predictions, and i think that garland has the ability to win 20 games (dont get me wrong he may win 11 games and continue to be the most hated man in our rotation) Garland does not have the ability to win 20 games. To win 20 games you have to be consistent, and he's never shown the ability to do so in his entire career. He's got decent stuff, but doesn't have what it takes between the ears. If the RJ trade still might go through, the Sox should jump at the chance to give away Garland for either RJ or Vasquez, just so long as they don't give up too much else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAF_11F4H Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Freddy Garcia 17-8, 4.15 ERA, 215 IP, 65 BB / 200 K Mark Buehrle 16-11, 3.90 ERA, 240 IP, 60 BB / 145 K El Duque: 13-9, 4.20 ERA, 170 IP, 70 BB / 170 K Jose Contreras: 13-9, 4.85 ERA, 185 IP, 95 BB / 170 K Jon Garland: 12-12, 4.70 ERA, 205 IP, 75 BB / 110K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Freddy Garcia 17-8, 4.15 ERA, 215 IP, 65 BB / 200 K Mark Buehrle 16-11, 3.90 ERA, 240 IP, 60 BB / 145 K El Duque: 13-9, 4.20 ERA, 170 IP, 70 BB / 170 K Jose Contreras: 13-9, 4.85 ERA, 185 IP, 95 BB / 170 K Jon Garland: 12-12, 4.70 ERA, 205 IP, 75 BB / 110K tell us what you really think, would you? =D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Garland does not have the ability to win 20 games. To win 20 games you have to be consistent, and he's never shown the ability to do so in his entire career. He's got decent stuff, but doesn't have what it takes between the ears. If the RJ trade still might go through, the Sox should jump at the chance to give away Garland for either RJ or Vasquez, just so long as they don't give up too much else. im talking physical ability here. he has good stuff, and his good stuff could win him 20 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Remember everyone! Buerhle relied a lot on run support! A lot of the games he won were due to the Sox scoring 5-8 runs a game. I don't see that happening as often this season due to the departure of Maggs and Lee. So I say: Buerhle 14 wins (w/ a bunch of no decisions) Garcia 18 wins (expect an awesome year from him) Hernandez 13 wins (a decent year, but i expect he'll miss a few starts due to an injury) Contreras 12 wins (i agree, he'll have an up and down season) Garland 16 wins (i really think he'll finally come out of his shell this season and it will be about damn time!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 I'll take my shot: Buehrle - 17 Garcia - 17 Garland - 14 Hernandez - 12 Contreras - 10 70 wins out of the rotation -- hopefully the bullpen can give us 15+ wins, and I think we'll be set... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 I'll take an OJ like stab at this one- Hurlybuehrle-19 Freddy-16 Duque-14 Judy-14 Jose-11 It will be interesting to see who gets the 6-7 wins out of the pen. Usually it's the 6th inning guy that gets them. I guess I'll throw in Politte for those W's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Buehrle-18 Garcia-20 Hernandez-10 Contreras-12 Garland-13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pods70Rowand33 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 I agree about buehrle, he did get a lot of run support last year, and it happend more than 2 or 3 times. in some of those games, he pitched very well only give up 2 or less runs, but then again i know it is a different game when you go out to the mound up 8-0 or whatever the score may be. But i think buehrle has the stuff to win without run support like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Buehrle - 17 Garcia - 17 Garland - 16 Contreras - 14 Hernandez - 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 The SABR guys may not like this but I don't always think it's just luck when a guy like Mark gets run support. Sometimes it is though (matt clement's bad support). There is something to be said for pitching well enough to win whether it's 12-11 or 3-2. Guys like Estes and Oswalt are two very different pitchers in terms of quality, but both pitched well enough to win a lot in 04. I think the offense is very comfortable with Mark out there. Plus, he works so fast that I think the team doesn't fall into a lull in the field or at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Beuhrle - 16 Garcia - 16 Hernandez - 10 Garland - 13 Contreras - 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Remember everyone! Buerhle relied a lot on run support! A lot of the games he won were due to the Sox scoring 5-8 runs a game. I don't see that happening as often this season due to the departure of Maggs and Lee. So I say: Buerhle 14 wins (w/ a bunch of no decisions) Garcia 18 wins (expect an awesome year from him) Hernandez 13 wins (a decent year, but i expect he'll miss a few starts due to an injury) Contreras 12 wins (i agree, he'll have an up and down season) Garland 16 wins (i really think he'll finally come out of his shell this season and it will be about damn time!!!) Buehrle had an era under 4 pitching at the Cell in the american league, he didn't win the majority of his games because of run support, he's an EXCELLENT pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Buehrle-17 Garcia-17 Hernandez-14 Contreras-13 Garland-15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I dont think anyone on the staff gets too close to 20.... Garcia 17 Buehrle 15 Dukie 12 Garland 14 Contie 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Buehrle - 17 Garcia - 16 Garland -14 Contreras - 6 Hernandez - 8 You guys are all forgetting the ex-Cuba factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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