RockRaines Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 02:19 PM) Everett played CF for us not to long ago and i remember he didnt do that bad of a job really.... So he should be fine in one of the corner OF spots especially since he is in great shape... That cleveland game was prob just a fluke accident. He isnt that bad of a fielder, which is exactly why Jermaine Dye will take a seat for many a game when frank gets back. BUt I envision a 4 man rotation in the OF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) If your talking about yesterday's game then I think you are wrong about that. You don't want to lose your manager in a tight 2 run or 1 run ball game. talking about yesterday and the finale of the twins game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) talking about yesterday and the finale of the twins game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Then I think you are wrong. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:26 PM) He isnt that bad of a fielder, which is exactly why Jermaine Dye will take a seat for many a game when frank gets back. BUt I envision a 4 man rotation in the OF <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He didn't used to be a bad fielder. He used to be decent. Now he is down right awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 I just want to throw this out there, it doesnt sound great to me at all, but maybe there could be a possibility of trading Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Ugh -- Wilbon is making Frank out like the bad guy on ESPN on Pardon the Interruption... :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Wilbon sides with Ozzie.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Ok I haven't read this thread but I'm pretty sure Oz's reasoning behind what he said is to talk about the improvement in Frank's attitude and the team as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:29 PM) I just want to throw this out there, it doesnt sound great to me at all, but maybe there could be a possibility of trading Frank. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> For what reason and what do you expect in return for him? He is almost 37 years old and coming back from a pretty serious injury. He has great career stats, but not so great lately. You would never get anything in return for him. Plus there really isn't any reason to trade him. What else do we need at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 the pereption of Frank is much darker than the reality. So what if he is a bit if a diva? Pedro Martinez is and that doesn't make you a bad guy. I think with Frank you just give him some props to soothe his ego and he's fine. DOes Ozzie want to talk about winning? 8-4 ain't winning s***. Being the best team in baseball in 1994 and 2000 menas a lot more to me than Ozzieball and Frank is the numero uno reason we were the best team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:41 PM) the pereption of Frank is much darker than the reality. So what if he is a bit if a diva? Pedro Martinez is and that doesn't make you a bad guy. I think with Frank you just give him some props to soothe his ego and he's fine. DOes Ozzie want to talk about winning? 8-4 ain't winning s***. Being the best team in baseball in 1994 and 2000 menas a lot more to me than Ozzieball and Frank is the numero uno reason we were the best team <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You said it all right there. Frank WAS great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 03:40 PM) For what reason and what do you expect in return for him? He is almost 37 years old and coming back from a pretty serious injury. He has great career stats, but not so great lately. You would never get anything in return for him. Plus there really isn't any reason to trade him. What else do we need at the moment? Would the small piece of the puzzle that you would receive for Frank be more beneficial than wasting one player on the bench. Frank is an OBP machine, and will get on base for someone. Is it going to be us? I dont know. Im not saying im in favor of getting rid of Frank, but considering that many people on this board feel that we are wasting a player by having either Carl or Frank sit, what can we do with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Did Frank hit 220 last year? Try not to be such an idiot if you can help it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsox Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:37 PM) Ugh -- Wilbon is making Frank out like the bad guy on ESPN on Pardon the Interruption... :headshake Wilbon's the last person to say anything about the Sox (Or ESPN for that matter) since he's admitted so many times on the show that he's a Cub fan and that they're the only baseball team in Chicago so :finger Wilbon Edited April 18, 2005 by Allsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 (edited) Ugh -- Wilbon is making Frank out like the bad guy on ESPN on Pardon the Interruption... :headshake <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep, I saw that. He is a Flubs fan ya know. Edited April 18, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:44 PM) You said it all right there. Frank WAS great. And he's still ten times the player of anyone on this team. When anyone on this team puts up anywhere near as good as Frank's OPS, let me know. In Frank's worst year, he still posted an .834 OPS. Other than Rowand (and Rowand hasn't done it for a span that Thomas has done it at), no one on our team touches that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Jabroni @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 09:55 PM) Yep, I saw that. He is a Flubs fan ya know. Yeah, but my dad coached/taught him. He went to St. Ignatious College Prep, IIRC. So I like to listen to him. That's a show I like, anyways. I don't always agree with them, but how they bicker cracks me up. Much better than ATH, IMHO... Edited April 18, 2005 by CWSGuy406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 But Frank just clogs the basepaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 05:00 PM) But Frank just clogs the basepaths. LMAO.. one of Harold Reynold's finest moments.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 05:58 PM) And he's still ten times the player of anyone on this team. The guy can't even play the field, so how can he be ten times the player of anyone on the team? :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(aboz56 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 10:24 PM) The guy can't even play the field, so how can he be ten times the player of anyone on the team? :headshake What does that matter? The DH is there for a reason... Are you saying that a player should hurt his teams overall chances of winning a baseball game by putting them out into the field? EDIT: And if I didn't put "offensively" in there, then that's my fault -- I should have. Edited April 18, 2005 by CWSGuy406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 06:26 PM) What does that matter? The DH is there for a reason... Are you saying that a player should hurt his teams overall chances of winning a baseball game by putting them out into the field? He is not 10 times the player of anyone on the team if his only contribution to the team is at the plate. Had he been a solid fielder his whole career, there wouldn't even be a debate as to whether or not he belongs in the hall of fame. This is why you see and will continue to see few DH players in the Hall of Fame. Sorry to burst your bubble, but in his current state, Frank Thomas is not 10 times the player of several guys on the Sox roster. Hell he's not even the best player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 Who is the best.... A pitcher who only plays once every 5 days? Konerko, who is far from a help in the field? just because he plays there doesn't mean he's any good at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Apr 18, 2005 -> 10:28 PM) He is not 10 times the player of anyone on the team if his only contribution to the team is at the plate. Had he been a solid fielder his whole career, there wouldn't even be a debate as to whether or not he belongs in the hall of fame. This is why you see and will continue to see few DH players in the Hall of Fame. Sorry to burst your bubble, but in his current state, Frank Thomas is not 10 times the player of several guys on the Sox roster. Hell he's not even the best player. At the plate, he still is. Who's better than him? Rowand, maybe if he continues at what he did last season. That's about it. Ten times was an extreme situation, but he's still better -- offensively -- than anyone we have on our team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 18, 2005 Share Posted April 18, 2005 When Frank Thomas actually steps into uniform for the Sox this season and proves he is healthy, then talk about how great he is. Until then, he's not the best player on the Sox. He's not even a part of the active roster and we are 8-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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