cwsox Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 umm not to be a wise ass here but.. didnt aids start with monkeys first???? well, ok, straight people having sex with monkeys - damn those straight people! the same people who keep sending out all that bestiality porno spam - not sure if the exact origin is known yet, but it was with the great apes or chimps - now that is what I call perverted sex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 well, ok, straight people having sex with monkeys - damn those straight people! the same people who keep sending out all that bestiality porno spam - not sure if the exact origin is known yet, but it was with the great apes or chimps - now that is what I call perverted sex well i mean if your gonna tell it like it is then may as well start with the origination of the disease right...........afterall it was a straight guy who f***ed a monkey who started all this s*** in the first place.. give the credit where credit is due.......... the same people who keep sending out all that bestiality porno spam aint that the truth and you know what bugs me more than the porn spam... the ones who send me the spam about a bigger penis.... geez i just wish i had one...much less a bigger one......id never leave the house........ ay would think they would know who they are sending that stuff to so they could target the right sex huh..........lol lol........and btw if you all dont get those then ill be happy to foward to anyone in need of a bit of help..... always tryin to be a helping hand lol and i promise i wont tell who wanted the info........lol lol lol.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Please tell me you aren't trying to convert the undereducated momo in an open debate... I have a better question for you, dawg: what do you think of your boy Enimen's stance on this issue? facts need to go on record for the others who are who reading, not posting, who might think that stuff is right if it is not corrected - as far as Em goes - that is a discussion not for this place but Em and I are both down with it dawg - unless you really want me to do my extended discusssion of Em's lyrics and supposed homophobia, just trust me that I have studied all of his stuff quite extensively and I don't see it there - and it was addressed in 8 Mile in several ways - while Em hasn't done a benefit yet for Triangle (the leading Michigan g/l/b/t org), the folks in Michigan who know Em best know he is ok on the issue it's actually Dre who said a few unkind things, but Em's cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 This is real simple. Gays are looked down on by society for one reason. They are DIFFERENT. That has been a common theme in all societies throughout history. Jews were persecuted because of DIFFERENT religious beliefs. Blacks were persecuted because they looked DIFFERENT. The Native Americans were persecuted because they lived totally DIFFERENT from us "normal" people. Gays are persecuted because their sexual orientation is DIFFERENT. Yet, lesbiamsm is much more accepted in our current society than male homsexuality. Why? It's because our whole lives we have been bombarded with visual stimuli telling us what is "sexy". The fact that some women have become attracted to other women has been more accepted, because they also have been bombarded with the same visual stimuli. Being DIFFERENT puts a person in a very uncomfortable position. Yet, it has, and probably always will be that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 true enough yas,i cant argue with what you said..........and i just want to go on record here and say......although i dont agree with what todd had to say.. he is a very nice person.... i met him a few times in alabama.. as he lives across the lake from my dad and has a sports shop in town there( its called hometown heros) where he can be found alot in the off season..........i know it doesnt make what he said any better but he is in all reality a very down to earth and nice guy........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Pardon me for getting away from the philosophical aspect of this thread, but Todd Jones gave another interview to a Denver station Wednesday, and he stood by his views as originally stated, but he regretted saying anything in a public forum, or words to that effect. The only openly gay player that I know of was Glen Burke. Any others? Burke is equally famous for having invented the "high five." He was a pretty good centerfielder for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 1, 2003 Author Share Posted May 1, 2003 Was Burke "out" during his career or did he wait until he retired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 how do you figure that more gays cause death..........??? they have a time bomb or something implanted in them which goes off in large crowds??? Great! Now everyone knows my secret! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 not sure if the exact origin is known yet, but it was with the great apes or chimps - Yes..... AIDS has been traced back to monkeys. But it was not introduced into the human population by means of man having sex with a monkey like HSC said. The polio vaccine used on the indigent people's of Africa, believe it or not, had tissues and cells taken from the chimpanzee, I believe, because it was cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 I don't believe Burke was "out" while a player, at least not publicly, but his teammates must have known, because he was effectively blackballed from the game. That's my recollection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 well, ok, straight people having sex with monkeys - damn those straight people! the same people who keep sending out all that bestiality porno spam - not sure if the exact origin is known yet, but it was with the great apes or chimps - now that is what I call perverted sex Dude youre so clueless. You know damn well that the majority of people in the united states who have HIV, are gay. Denial isnt going to help your stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Turning things into who "started it" is childish. GAY MEN are the main cause of the spread of HIV. Its not NATURAL to f*** a monkey or stick your DICK in another guys ass. When you do something outside the way things are supposed to be done, diseases happen and spread. Am i REALLY the only person who understands this? You people are in such denial. Ignorance is another cause of death and disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Turning things into who "started it" is childish. GAY MEN are the main cause of the spread of HIV. Its not NATURAL to f*** a monkey or stick your DICK in another guys ass. When you do something outside the way things are supposed to be done, diseases happen and spread. Am i REALLY the only person who understands this? You people are in such denial. Ignorance is another cause of death and disease. Oh-oh...stop all this sugar-coating and tell us how you really feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Dude youre so clueless. You know damn well that the majority of people in the united states who have HIV, are gay. Denial isnt going to help your stance. Hey Clueless, the majority of people with AIDS in the world are straight. Denial isn't going to help your stance. Sexually trasmitted diseases have been around forever. If some gay people getting AIDS is a judgment on being gay, what is it when straight people get it, or when straight people get syphillis? Maybe disease is just disease and a judgment on anyone. need to know more about AIDS: AIDS website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 well, ok, straight people having sex with monkeys - damn those straight people! the same people who keep sending out all that bestiality porno spam - not sure if the exact origin is known yet, but it was with the great apes or chimps - now that is what I call perverted sex Dude youre so clueless. You know damn well that the majority of people in the united states who have HIV, are gay. Denial isnt going to help your stance. Actually Bmr.. you are incorrect. The majority of AIDS victims are hetro. The #1 cause is blood transfusions followed closely by IV drug users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Actually Bmr.. you are incorrect. The majority of AIDS victims are hetro. The #1 cause is blood transfusions followed closely by IV drug users This is where he tells you about the % of the diseasee's occuring in the homosexual sector... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 This is when he tells you about the % of the diseasee's occuring in the homosexual sector... Ya know what Brando.. I don't want to be in the middle of this little pissing contest you two have going on. I don't care who is who anymore.. or perhaps maybe your all the SAME person...? I'm done. Leave me out of it and please refrain from using my posts to stir the pot. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 not sure if the exact origin is known yet, but it was with the great apes or chimps - Yes..... AIDS has been traced back to monkeys. But it was not introduced into the human population by means of man having sex with a monkey like HSC said. The polio vaccine used on the indigent people's of Africa, believe it or not, had tissues and cells taken from the chimpanzee, I believe, because it was cheaper. CK, I did not know that, and it makes sense. I knew it jumped somewhere around Rwanda but that was all I knew about that. Thanks for the info! Makes you think about all the animals that are used in vaccines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Ya know what Brando.. I don't want to be in the middle of this little pissing contest you two have going on. I don't care who is who anymore.. or perhaps maybe your all the SAME person...? Yes...and perhaps I am Batman, too. Sorry didn't mean to mess with your mind like that. There. Leave me out of it and please refrain from using my posts to stir the pot. Thanks ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 This article was written by Todd Jones in June last year and printed in the Birmingham News. Jones writes a weekly column for the News. His views don't sound so harsh in his own words, yet still, he should keep his mouth shut. Jones: Gay player would disrupt team's chemistry Editor's note: Sunday's Denver Post article was not the first time Colorado pitcher Todd Jones has commented publicly about gay players in baseball. Jones, who writes a weekly Sunday column for The Birmingham News during baseball season, wrote on the topic on June 16, 2002. Here is a reprint of that column. Greetings, Birmingham. Hope all finds you well. I have received a lot of mail about the acceptance of gay players in baseball. Many of you wanted to know if baseball is ready for an openly gay player. First, I'm a heterosexual, Godfearing Baptist. I'm not here to explain if being gay is right or wrong, but I'd like to explain the dynamics of a gay person on a ball club. On the field, there would be no problems. If the player could help our team win baseball games, I would not care if he was gay or green. Off the field is where it gets tough. Real tough. Our team is around each other for eight months or more at a time. That's more time than I'm around my wife and kids. We eat together, live together and shower together. I need to be comfortable around my teammates. In my opinion, if a gay player has made his sexual preference public, he would have to understand there are 24 teammates with different opinions who are going to deal with him differently. Some players would accept the gay player right off the bat, while others would never be able to accept him. The gay player would need to have thick skin. Jackie Robinson had to deal with racism and jokes about his color throughout his career. A gay player would have to deal with other players cussing him out or banning him from showering with them. For me, the original shock would be hard to handle. To know a player is gay and in the same shower as I am would be strange. It's only human nature to feel this way. After awhile, like anything else, I would get used to it. For those who couldn't get used to it, the gay player could respect their feelings and wait until they had finished showering before he showered. But that might not be enough to resolve the situation. If some other guys on the team have a big problem with him, it would be real easy for the front office to decide the player is a distraction. He would probably be sent out or traded. You need to understand this is a business with big bucks, and if the star player says he can't relax around a gay player, who do you think would lose his job? The gay player had better be a darn good player. I think a gay baseball player would be lonely. Players would think twice about asking him out to lunch because other players might think the straight player is gay. I don't think players are narrow-minded, but I think they are homophobic. I'm homophobic. It's easy to be scared of something you don't know anything about. It would take a special player to admit he's gay. He would have to withstand a lot of verbal abuse. And it would take a special team to accept a gay player teammates who could separate the talent from the lifestyle. I suggest the "don't ask, don't tell" method. I mean, why is it important for a gay player to assert his rights and be heard? Just play ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 This article was written by Todd Jones in June last year and printed in the Birmingham News. Jones writes a weekly column for the News. His views don't sound so harsh in his own words, yet still, he should keep his mouth shut. Jones: Gay player would disrupt team's chemistry Editor's note: Sunday's Denver Post article was not the first time Colorado pitcher Todd Jones has commented publicly about gay players in baseball. Jones, who writes a weekly Sunday column for The Birmingham News during baseball season, wrote on the topic on June 16, 2002. Here is a reprint of that column. Greetings, Birmingham. Hope all finds you well. I have received a lot of mail about the acceptance of gay players in baseball. Many of you wanted to know if baseball is ready for an openly gay player. First, I'm a heterosexual, Godfearing Baptist. I'm not here to explain if being gay is right or wrong, but I'd like to explain the dynamics of a gay person on a ball club. On the field, there would be no problems. If the player could help our team win baseball games, I would not care if he was gay or green. Off the field is where it gets tough. Real tough. Our team is around each other for eight months or more at a time. That's more time than I'm around my wife and kids. We eat together, live together and shower together. I need to be comfortable around my teammates. In my opinion, if a gay player has made his sexual preference public, he would have to understand there are 24 teammates with different opinions who are going to deal with him differently. Some players would accept the gay player right off the bat, while others would never be able to accept him. The gay player would need to have thick skin. Jackie Robinson had to deal with racism and jokes about his color throughout his career. A gay player would have to deal with other players cussing him out or banning him from showering with them. For me, the original shock would be hard to handle. To know a player is gay and in the same shower as I am would be strange. It's only human nature to feel this way. After awhile, like anything else, I would get used to it. For those who couldn't get used to it, the gay player could respect their feelings and wait until they had finished showering before he showered. But that might not be enough to resolve the situation. If some other guys on the team have a big problem with him, it would be real easy for the front office to decide the player is a distraction. He would probably be sent out or traded. You need to understand this is a business with big bucks, and if the star player says he can't relax around a gay player, who do you think would lose his job? The gay player had better be a darn good player. I think a gay baseball player would be lonely. Players would think twice about asking him out to lunch because other players might think the straight player is gay. I don't think players are narrow-minded, but I think they are homophobic. I'm homophobic. It's easy to be scared of something you don't know anything about. It would take a special player to admit he's gay. He would have to withstand a lot of verbal abuse. And it would take a special team to accept a gay player teammates who could separate the talent from the lifestyle. I suggest the "don't ask, don't tell" method. I mean, why is it important for a gay player to assert his rights and be heard? Just play ball. I agree , he needs to be quiet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Rex, thanks for posting that. These words jumped out at me: "I'm homophobic. It's easy to be scared of something you don't know anything about. " Does it take anyone special to figure out the next step... learn something? And until you know something, shut up? This is a textbook example of a guy saying "I don't know what I am talking about but let me slam people" and then slam people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 This is a textbook example of a guy saying "I don't know what I am talking about but let me slam people" and then slam people. Fitting around here for some.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Fitting around here for some.. i try to learn something new each and every day....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Rex, thanks for posting that. These words jumped out at me: "I'm homophobic. It's easy to be scared of something you don't know anything about. " Does it take anyone special to figure out the next step... learn something? And until you know something, shut up? This is a textbook example of a guy saying "I don't know what I am talking about but let me slam people" and then slam people. Pretending that being gay is okay, isnt going to stop AIDS my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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