Scuff Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Much is being made about paying 7.2 mil a year to an injury prone Thome, while it might be true that he is a risk injury wise it is actually a cheaper alternative then we had last season and we all know how last season went... 2005 Salaries for DH: Frank Thomas $8 million Carl Everett $4 million $12 Million 2006 Salries for DH: Jim Thome $7.2 million Frank Thomas buyout $3.5 million $10.7 million Now if you reduce the $3.25 million owed to Aaron Rowand for 2006 10.7m - 3.25m = $7.45 million So if you look at it that way the Sox cleared up $4.55 million (12 million (2005) - 7.45 million) for extra money to pay for Mr Konerko and maybe another CF (Pierre?), thus this is an excellent trade. Feel free to comment or ask for me to clarify, I think its pretty clear though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Great 1st post and welcome aboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Osuna Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Thome/Konerko would be an interesting punch in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 (edited) I keep coming up with this: Thome's contract: 2006 - $12.5 Million (-7.3 Phils) $5.2 Million 2007 - $14.0 Million (-7.3 Phils) $6.7 Million 2008 - $14.0 Million (-7.3 Phils) $6.7 Million Savings in 2006 from lost salaries: Frank Thomas - $8 million Carl Everett - $4 million Aaron Rowand - $3.25 million Total - $15.25 million 2006 Costs Jim Thome $5.2 million Frank Thomas buyout $3.5 million Carl Everett buyout $0.5 million Total $9.2 million Available money from moves - $6.05 million Paulie's last salary: $8.75 million Estimated salary: $12.0 million Difference: $3.25 million Remaining cash: $2.80 million Pierre's 2006 salary: $5 million Edited November 24, 2005 by WinninUgly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 11:13 PM) Thome/Konerko would be an interesting punch in the lineup. might rival Big Papi/Ramirez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuff Posted November 24, 2005 Author Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 10:21 PM) I keep coming up with this: Thome's contract: 2006 - $12.5 Million (-7.3 Phils) $5.2 Million 2007 - $14.0 Million (-7.3 Phils) $6.7 Million 2008 - $14.0 Million (-7.3 Phils) $6.7 Million well they keep saying he is owed $43.5 over the remaining 3 years so 43.5-22m=21.5m 21.5m/3 = 7.1666 to be exact but 7.2 works you are right though they are giving different numbers and if the sox only pay Thome 5.2million this year that just clears up even more money for this years budget.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(Scuff @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 12:27 AM) well they keep saying he is owed $43.5 over the remaining 3 years so 43.5-22m=21.5m 21.5m/3 = 7.1666 to be exact but 7.2 works you are right though they are giving different numbers and if the sox only pay Thome 5.2million this year that just clears up even more money for this years budget.. Yeah, because he has a 3.0 Million buyout for 2009, that is where the 3 million is coming from. His real numbers for the contract are: 2006 - $12.5 Million 2007 - $14.0 Million 2008 - $14.0 Million 2009 - $13.0 Million (Club Option - $3 Million buyout) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 It's also entirely possible that by 2009, that $13 million could look like a bargain too...for a guy wanting to pick up his 4th ring with us. God I want Konerko back now. It won't be Ortiz and Ramirez, but it'll be a damn good second place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayitaintso Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 11:21 PM) might rival Big Papi/Ramirez That's assuming that Manny still stays with the bo sox for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 12:39 AM) That's assuming that Manny still stays with the bo sox for next year. HE GAWN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 09:39 PM) That's assuming that Manny still stays with the bo sox for next year. Ok, it will rival Manny/Vlady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 12:37 AM) It's also entirely possible that by 2009, that $13 million could look like a bargain too...for a guy wanting to pick up his 4th ring with us. God I want Konerko back now. It won't be Ortiz and Ramirez, but it'll be a damn good second place. Also, a $3 Million buyout is dirt cheap, and I am sure if we kept him that long, the Sox would use the Buyout and sign him for lower for a 1 yr deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuff Posted November 24, 2005 Author Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 10:37 PM) God I want Konerko back now. It won't be Ortiz and Ramirez, but it'll be a damn good second place. "If we should make any moves at this stage," Williams said, careful with his words because the trade has not been approved, "it would not preclude us from continuing to make serious overtures to Paul Konerko. He would still be a very, very big part of our plans." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 This team wins the f***ign world series and is still under a damn salary Cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(JoshPR @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 12:45 AM) This team wins the f***ign world series and is still under a damn salary Cap. ? We are paying more for Thome than we did for Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 NO, But we gotta make moves to resign people ans s***. Thome 's health is a question mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(HighHeat45 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 09:46 PM) ? We are paying more for Thome than we did for Rowand. Yes we are...but we're also paying about the same for Brian Anderson and Jim Thome as we were for Carl Everett and Aaron Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(JoshPR @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 09:48 PM) NO, But we gotta make moves to resign people ans s***. Thome 's health is a question mark The beauty of this move is that it actually leaves us room to resign people, including Konerko, to long term deals without blowing up our salary number. Thome's money is roughly equal to Rowand plus Everett last year. Thomas's money is gone. If you give Thomas's post-buyout money to Konerko, that's enough to pay PK $12.5 mil a season and probably sign him. That basically means that, unless we trade for someone else or sign someone else, we can take our team as-is into the season next year, and the ONLY salary increases it will have undertaken are the increases to sign guys like Crede, Pierzynski, Garland, and hopefully Contreras to long term deals. If we up our payroll next year by $10 million...that either means we signed someone fairly big named or we gave a couple of guys nice deals to keep them in Chicago for a while. And we'll have gotten better at the same time. Furthermore...I don't feel Thome's health is as big of a question mark as you make it out to be. His biggest injury, his elbow, was suffered while fielding. If he's mainly a DH in Chicago...which he would be if we resign PK, that will significantly reduce the stress on his arm and most likely will add years to his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 That's my problem this team goes out and wins the series and still has to manuvre under the JR salary Cap. I don't wanna be an ass, but i just don't agree with this trade. Sorry. GOing back to the damn mashing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(JoshPR @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 11:55 PM) That's my problem this team goes out and wins the series and still has to manuvre under the JR salary Cap. I wouldn't worry so much about the payroll and JR being cheap. I think the payroll will increase and we will field another WS calibur team in 06'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 11:48 PM) Yes we are...but we're also paying about the same for Brian Anderson and Jim Thome as we were for Carl Everett and Aaron Rowand. Great way to put it, I'll take Anderson and Thome over Everett and Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 ? We are paying more for Thome than we did for Rowand. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We aren't paying $8 million to Frank, $4 million to Everett, and $3.25 million to Rowand. That's $15.25 million. Thome will make around $8 million and Brian Anderson will make the minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 11:21 PM) might rival Big Papi/Ramirez not quite but it wont matter...manram....HE GONE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(JoshPR @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 04:55 PM) That's my problem this team goes out and wins the series and still has to manuvre under the JR salary Cap. I don't wanna be an ass, but i just don't agree with this trade. Sorry. GOing back to the damn mashing Josh in case you haven't noticed, payroll has been going up consistently for the past 5 season. With this move, and the (hopefully) re-signings of Crede, Konerko, Garland and A.J (that's about $22-27M right there for next season), and after the extra financial revenue from the World Series, there's no reason to think the payroll won't be lower than $85-90M. Compared to the other teams in this division (excluding Detroit but they're nuts), that ain't a salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Of course the team is going to have budget restraints. Get real Josh. Boston, the Cubs and yes, even the Yankees have some sort of budget they stay within. JR has not been operating on the cheap for quite some time. As gross profits have gone up, so has payroll. year after year after year, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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