Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Somewhat disappointing that we couldn't find a way to make it a 2 year deal. Now if he does ever have a breakout season, he'll be in a position to demand even more the next year. Anywho...glad he's back. Makes for better signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Yes, this is good news. Not really unexpected. Boras was not going let Crede sign for anything beyond 2008 so Joe could Fee agent eligble asap. The Sox had no incentive to sign for more than one year unless it was stretched to '09 or '10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I hope there's something in this contract that forbids him from cutting his mullett. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mullets rule! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 09:31 AM) I hope there's something in this contract that forbids him from cutting his mullett.  Huh? Crede does not have a mullet. His hair was shaggy all over - not long in the back/short in the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 03:25 PM) Huh? Crede does not have a mullet. His hair was shaggy all over - not long in the back/short in the front.  Well, he himself called it a mullet (I recall him thanking his "mullet" in his speech at the parade), so I'm just running with it.  Either way, Shaggy Crede >>>>>>>>non-Shaggy Crede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 11:26 AM) Yes, this is good news. Not really unexpected. Boras was not going let Crede sign for anything beyond 2008 so Joe could Fee agent eligble asap. The Sox had no incentive to sign for more than one year unless it was stretched to '09 or '10. Well, I would have said that the Sox probably did have an incentive to sign him for something like 2-3 years. Since he's still arbitration eligible...if we want to keep him after next year, we'll either have to sign him again or offer him Arb. again. From what I understand, it's very unusual to see a person's salary decline in arbitration from year to year, even if the player is hurt or has his numbers go down (how far can Crede's actually go down?). However, if Joe somehow turns last September into a season, all of a sudden he'll be in a place to ask for another million or two in arbitration next fall, and the Sox will probably have to pay it.  If we signed him to a 2-3 year deal now, it could have kept his price at that $2.3 million for each of the next 2-3 years, maybe saving the team a mil or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 03:05 PM) Well, I would have said that the Sox probably did have an incentive to sign him for something like 2-3 years. Since he's still arbitration eligible...if we want to keep him after next year, we'll either have to sign him again or offer him Arb. again. From what I understand, it's very unusual to see a person's salary decline in arbitration from year to year, even if the player is hurt or has his numbers go down (how far can Crede's actually go down?). However, if Joe somehow turns last September into a season, all of a sudden he'll be in a place to ask for another million or two in arbitration next fall, and the Sox will probably have to pay it. If we signed him to a 2-3 year deal now, it could have kept his price at that $2.3 million for each of the next 2-3 years, maybe saving the team a mil or so.  Good point. Now, for the counterpoint. If his back goes out, they aren't locked into a long term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 01:08 PM) Good point. Now, for the counterpoint. If his back goes out, they aren't locked into a long term deal. So...the question that raises is this: does that mean Crede's back is as bad as some people have feared? Â Even if his back goes out in 06...if he can still play in 07, his salary will be roughly what it is this year because of the arbitration system, so the only way that avoiding a long-term deal with Crede makes sense is if there's a chance his back will go out to the point that he won't be able to recover even with surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 03:10 PM) So...the question that raises is this: does that mean Crede's back is as bad as some people have feared? Even if his back goes out in 06...if he can still play in 07, his salary will be roughly what it is this year because of the arbitration system, so the only way that avoiding a long-term deal with Crede makes sense is if there's a chance his back will go out to the point that he won't be able to recover even with surgery.  I doubt it. But, it's a risk the Sox didn't have to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Signing him to anything other than a one year deal would be somewhat of a risk. Â I also assume that Boras was going to force a 1 year deal to give Joe a chance for more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 04:05 PM) However, if Joe somehow turns last September into a season, all of a sudden he'll be in a place to ask for another million or two in arbitration next fall, and the Sox will probably have to pay it. If we signed him to a 2-3 year deal now, it could have kept his price at that $2.3 million for each of the next 2-3 years, maybe saving the team a mil or so.  I think that if Joe turns last September/October into an entire season, he will be asking for a whole hell of alot more than a million or two more. Mostly because Boras will be chirping in his ear pretty loudly by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 02:40 PM) I think that if Joe turns last September/October into an entire season, he will be asking for a whole hell of alot more than a million or two more. Mostly because Boras will be chirping in his ear pretty loudly by then. The problem with that is...for the next 2 years, he can't. Joe is still arbitration-eligible, and arbitration-eligible players simply do not get paid that much before they hit the FA Market.  We in fact just got a good example yesterday. D-Train signed a $4 mil+ deal with the Marlins for 06, and that was a record amount for a newly arb-eligible starting pitcher. Teixeira is only going to be paid $6 million next season, and that's after putting up those massive numbers, and he's also not a FA until after 08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Fair deal to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rventura23 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 good to see Joe back and for a reasonable price Im not sure Id be signing him to any long term deals with his health questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 That's not too big of a price, glad to see him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jloveswhitesox35 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 11:04 AM) According to WSCR 670 The Score's latest scoreboard update. I believe the guy said 1-year, $2.675 million. Our roster contains no more arbitration-eligible players so barring trades, our roster is complete. YOU CAN PUT THAT ON THE BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YES!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 05:24 PM) That's not too big of a price, glad to see him back. Â Great to see Joe on board, good deal for the Crede family! World Series here we comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSouthSider59 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 10:04 AM) According to WSCR 670 The Score's latest scoreboard update. I believe the guy said 1-year, $2.675 million. Our roster contains no more arbitration-eligible players so barring trades, our roster is complete.  YAY!!!!!!!   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 QUOTE(Beltin'Bill @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 12:50 PM) What a difference a year makes. How many people would have been worried about Crede resigning a year or so ago? He was the throw-in player many of us wanted to discard in hypothetical trades before last season. That is good news, though. I just hope his back is ready for another 173 games. Â With Mackoviak and Ozuna around, along with the concern the White Sox have with Crede's back, I don't think he'll play more than 120-130 games. Â Guillen uses his bench during the regular season a lot, we have quality backup players so I'd be surprised if Guillen over uses Crede, especially in the 1st half of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJean Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Yayayayayayay!! I was getting a little nervous there...   QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 12:31 PM) I hope there's something in this contract that forbids him from cutting his mullett.   I don't know about the mullet...but I definitely think he should grow those lucky sideburns back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 The 2006 White Sox are now complete. Let's get this title defense thing started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Probably the best solution for all parties here. Getting Crede locked up to a multi - year deal would have been nice, but the concerns on his back are probably too great of a risk to have for that to occur. Â Let's hope Joe can produce what he did for the majority of 2005 though. He only had 2 bad months in 2005, 1 which was due to that broken finger. In the other 4, he put up OPS's over .800, which will definitely do, but there's still the scope for improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 18, 2006 -> 01:38 AM) The 2006 White Sox are now complete. Let's get this title defense thing started. KW still has work to do to patch holes in the bottom of the pitching staff, outfield and I think one more utility infielder. The open spots could kill a team if filled with, say Keven Walker in the pen and another Perez in the OF. There is also no plan B I can discern in the event either Kong or Thome get dinged for a while, who DH's?  There are lots of candidates already on board and KW may have more moves up his sleeve. ST will be entertaining to watch as this plays out. But I would not call the White Sox complete yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 The open spots could kill a team if filled with, say Keven Walker in the pen and another Perez in the OF. Â I really think you're placing too much importance on the last spot in the pen and the last spot for everyday players. Last year those roles were filled by Timo Perez and Marte/Viz--depending on who was throwing worse at the time. Â Timo's VORP was negative! As for Marte and Viz, I'm not sure their contributions were much more. Sure they pitched well during the playoffs and for parts of the season, but overall they weren't very good. The team still managed to win 99 games. Â I am all for bringing up a kid to see if he can pitch decent out of the pen. If he can't than KW makes a minor trade to get someone in. Â I mean, if Ozzie is looking at the 7th inning and assuming Hermie is healthy, it has to go something like this: Â Cotts, Politte Hermie McCarthy Jenks ? Â It doesn't seem likely that the last man in the bullpen will see much meaningful action, much like Viz and Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 11:48 AM) whoa, the Sox got a Boras represented player to sign a contract. This is groundbreaking. There goes our chances of repeating. Signing a Boras client means we overpaid and now our hands are tied from making future deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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