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The Braves offense is sensational now. There's no way they're going to be sellers.

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QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:06 AM)
We have? Brandon McCarthy is not really developed yet. We can't really say for sure what we have with him. We have only really developed Garland, Buehrle, Cotts, and maybe Jenks if you consider us developing him or not I don't know. We have nothing in developing pitching in the majors on other teams. I guess Kip Wells and Josh Fogg are it. We are not a very good system for developing our own pitchers. We usually have more busts than quality ptichers.

Who are our big OBP guys that will be leading off? I don't get it.

im pretty sure all 4 of those names were crucial in winning us a world series and also pretty sure that 3 of them have been allstars.....id say thats a good job at developing some pitchers

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QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:13 AM)
Try to convince me that Javy Vazquez is a better starter than Brandon TODAY. Its just not true. Forget potential, this guy is already one of our 5 best starters and we need to stretch him out and f'n use him

 

Convince me Brandon McCarthy is better than Javier Vazquez today. You really can't come up with an argument. BMac isn't stretched out, he had a couple good games down the stretch last year, but hasn't proven a thing. His bullpen numbers don't suggest he's anything great either. I don't know where people get the notion that McCarthy would just step in and be way better than Vazquez. I don't know why we just don't use Vazquez until the 6th, put BMac in there for a couple of innings, then throw in MacDougal/Thornton in the 8th and Jenks in the 9th.

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^I agree

 

Vazquez is probably even better than Mac for the first 5 anyway.

 

Ozzie should do what he did for Garland last year. Take him out of the games with leads before he explodes and make him earn it to stay in longer.

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I don't get that report, we say no to dealing Broadway and it mentions we say no about McCarthy but also says we could afford to deal Brandon. Why would we deal Brandon before Broadway?

 

On a sidenote, if we aren't willing to deal Broadway, it tells me that this org really thinks highly of the kid. More so than Tyler Lumsden.

 

Of course I take this as a grain of salt and its probably just someone intentionally slipping info in negotiation ploys.

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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:22 AM)
Convince me Brandon McCarthy is better than Javier Vazquez today. You really can't come up with an argument.

 

I'm convinced that McCarthy could give us more than one quality start over a 2 month period. That's how bad Vazquez has been.

 

That's all I need to convince me. It may not convince you, but that's fine.

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How does Vazquez "earn" pitching deeper in games at this point? He earned going out there in the 6th yesterday because there was no sign that he would implode. Just as he did in his last start. He's just a five inning pitcher at this point. I agree with putting McCarthy in the 6th-7th, but if Ozzie does that and McCarthy implodes, we would all complain that Vaz was doing just fine and needed to be left in there.

 

Well, maybe WE wouldn't be saying that.

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since when are we the devil rays...scared to trade 'spects...

 

i don't believe for a second that there is an untouchable in our farm system when we are trying to win a WS

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Nothing really new. Offman just reported if we were to acquire Soriano we'd trade him for more pitching help.

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QUOTE(CWSOX45 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:33 AM)
Nothing really new. Offman just reported if we were to acquire Soriano we'd trade him for more pitching help.

 

 

Move Bmac into the rotation and one of our starters will be fixed.

 

I thought that is why we picked up Macdougal.

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QUOTE(CWSOX45 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:33 AM)
Nothing really new. Offman just reported if we were to acquire Soriano we'd trade him for more pitching help.

 

 

Ofman said that we could trade him for other parts....

 

Ofman knows nothing more that we do - he has said over the last day that we could keep him or trade him, and that the trade could still far apart.

 

Guess he covers all the possibilities for us.

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QUOTE(CWSOX45 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:33 AM)
Nothing really new. Offman just reported if we were to acquire Soriano we'd trade him for more pitching help.

I just can't think of a contender who would trade major league pitching for Soriano.

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QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:34 AM)
Move Bmac into the rotation and one of our starters will be fixed.

 

I thought that is why we picked up Macdougal.

 

I thought the MacDougal deal meant that BMac will get into the rotation...somehow. I want to see McCarthy starting...so Javy or Freddie need to go...and I think that Kenny is working on that.

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yeah, for example... i dont see seatle parting with felix hernandez or the halos parting with santana... no way in hell.

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QUOTE(rowand @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:47 PM)
anyone have what stark had to say on insider, it says on the headline he isn't so sure the sox are getting AS.

 

Basically that Soriano would want about 5 yrs/65 million to re-sign. Also, sources tell him McCarthy and Fields wouldn't be in the deal. The Sox are definitely interested, but it's not close to being "extremely close".

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QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:06 AM)
Who are our big OBP guys that will be leading off? I don't get it.

 

We don't have one if we get Soriano and Pods gets squeezed out of the lineup, which is my whole point. Hell, I'd rather have Iguchi lead off in that situation, but that isn't great either.

 

Soriano's OBP is about 65 points higher with men on, and his slugging is almost 100 points higher. Because of that, I'd rather not have him as our leadoff hitter.

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this just kind of screams to me that mccarthy will be in the deal.

 

actually it screams to me that this deal won't happen.

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I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of pissed off people if Soriano ends up getting traded to the Tigers in the next week. So many people got their hopes up, and they never took a step back to realize how a trade like this would really work out for the Sox.

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QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:55 AM)
I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of pissed off people if Soriano ends up getting traded to the Tigers in the next week. So many people got their hopes up, and they never took a step back to realize how a trade like this would really work out for the Sox.

 

At this point with how we are playing, it might not matter by this weekend if the Tigers get Soriano. We could be over 10 games out if we don't get our spiff together....which makes me want to vomit...A LOT.

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QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 10:54 AM)
We don't have one if we get Soriano and Pods gets squeezed out of the lineup, which is my whole point. Hell, I'd rather have Iguchi lead off in that situation, but that isn't great either.

 

Soriano's OBP is about 65 points higher with men on, and his slugging is almost 100 points higher. Because of that, I'd rather not have him as our leadoff hitter.

 

They only lead off once a game.

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QUOTE(CWSOX45 @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 04:57 PM)
At this point with how we are playing, it might not matter by this weekend if the Tigers get Soriano. We could be over 10 games out if we don't get our spiff together....which makes me want to vomit...A LOT.

 

I've given up on the Tigers for now. They're playing just too damn good, and they've shown no signs all season of slowing down. The Twins and the Yankees are the main competition we should be worried about right now.

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QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:55 AM)
I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of pissed off people if Soriano ends up getting traded to the Tigers in the next week. So many people got their hopes up, and they never took a step back to realize how a trade like this would really work out for the Sox.

 

I think it would depend on what the Tigers had to give up. If they gave one of their young pitchers or Zumaya, yeah, people would be pissed, but that doesn't necessarily make the Tigers better. Personally, if we acquire Soriano, we aren't keeping him, that's just my take. I could be wrong. But, I could see a three-way deal to get some big-time pitching help AND lose some of the dead weight. As I've said before, In KW I Trust...my 2005 World Series DVD set tells me so.

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QUOTE(Jake @ Jul 25, 2006 -> 11:59 AM)
They only lead off once a game.

 

That's still a quarter of his at bats where he has no chance to have men on, and having Uribe and Anderson ahead of him doesn't help either. Roughly 2/3 of his at bats have come with no one on in Washington.

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