Reddy Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 David Riske-R- White Sox Oct. 30 - 8:17 am et The White Sox probably won't re-sign potential free agent David Riske, the Daily Southtown suggests. The Sox will need another right-handed set-up man with Brandon McCarthy expected to shift to the rotation, but they seemed to have no confidence in Riske and he didn't pitch much down the stretch, so Chicago is unlikely to bring him back. Source: Daily Southtown a couple other bits there about macdougal staying and boone and tracey maybe not staying - same with dustin but as far as riske is concerned i thought he pitched really well for us and was one of our most consistant relievers... why dump him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 QUOTE(Reddy @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 11:03 AM) ... why dump him? Because he was paid $1.8 million to be one of the last options out of the pen. He was fairly effective vs Righties (.224 BAA, 0.92 WHIP), but that may not be enough to keep him around. Other than that, he could come back at a fair price if the Sox do not find someone else to fit that role. They will definitely need a RHP with McCarthy moving to the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I am not sure what he would cost us, but as someone pointed out elsewhere... Keith Foulke would seem to be a nice fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/115761,1SPT2-29.article Neal Cotts Status: Arbitration-eligible Key 2006 stats: Allowed 12 homers in 54 innings, posted 5.17 ERA. Here's the deal: Arguably the team's most reliable reliever in 2005, Cotts was its biggest enigma in 2006. There aren't many lefties who can throw in the mid-to-upper 90s (mph), so he's likely to return, but Cotts could still end up being part of a trade package this offseason since his stock is high because of his potential. Does this writer even watch the Sox? Neal has never thrown mid 90's, let alone upper 90's. Man, do some frickin HW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I saw nothing out of Riske this year that makes me want him back. Some people said he had lost some velocity over the past few years, and it was hard to disagree. He was just too hittable, especially if our other non-Jenks, non-Haeger righy out of the pen is MMac and he has a history of being hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Riske was basically a completely average reliever and at the moment that's really his upside. We want to upgrade and at worst have some guys with some upside in the pen, Riske just isn't good enough to keep around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 (edited) The bullpen next year should look like this: Cl- Jenks SU-Thorton SU-Mac MR-Cotts MR-FA MR-FA LR-Haeger We need two veteran arms in the pen. I am sick of having crap come in the 6th and 7th and give up the lead. Spend the $6 million or so it takes to get two veteran middle relievers. I would not mind Justin Speier and maybe even Foulke (if he would come back here, which I doubt.) Or get em through trades, but we need a solid bullpen that wont blow leads every game. Edited October 30, 2006 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 08:39 AM) The bullpen next year should look like this: Cl- Jenks SU-Thorton SU-Mac MR-Cotts MR-FA MR-FA LR-Haeger We need two veteran arms in the pen. I am sick of having crap come in the 6th and 7th and give up the lead. Spend the $6 million or so it takes to get two veteran middle relievers. I would not mind Justin Speier and maybe even Foulke (if he would come back here, which I doubt.) Or get em through trades, but we need a solid bullpen that wont blow leads every game. In 2006, the White Sox had the fewest bullpen innings in baseball. In 2005, the White Sox had the 2nd fewest bullpen innings in baseball. So I just can't figure out why this team would need to run withi a 7 man bullpen. The last guy out of the pen already gets almost no work whatsoever...spending a significant amount of cash on guys who just won't be pitching at all just doesn't seem like good business to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 No Suprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I wouldn't be upset with Riske's departure. He was keen to hanging his breaking ball during crucial moments of a game. However, Williams realistically has to obtain (via trade) or require atleast one more reliable arm. What's going to be pitiful to observe is the competition for the lone relief position in spring training. You know we're going to enter March with one spot available, and all the usual talk will begin of "low risk, high reward" AAAA fodder attempting to make the team. We'll all have to endure the typical cast of characters: 35 year old in the twilight of his career, 26 year old recovering from surgery -- yet hasn't regained previous velocity, 28 year old reject from team with bullpen issues, and a collection of minor league talent from our organization. Ultimately, it'll be a huge, steaming pile of cow dung. Can't wait! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 09:08 AM) I wouldn't be upset with Riske's departure. He was keen to hanging his breaking ball during crucial moments of a game. However, Williams realistically has to obtain (via trade) or require atleast one more reliable arm. What's going to be pitiful to observe is the competition for the lone relief position in spring training. You know we're going to enter March with one spot available, and all the usual talk will begin of "low risk, high reward" AAAA fodder attempting to make the team. We'll all have to endure the typical cast of characters: 35 year old in the twilight of his career, 26 year old recovering from surgery -- yet hasn't regained previous velocity, 28 year old reject from team with bullpen issues, and a collection of minor league talent from our organization. Ultimately, it'll be a huge, steaming pile of cow dung. Can't wait! Are we totally sure that such a competition is actually going to happen? As far as I can tell, to my eyes Haeger already has a pretty solid hold on the last-spot out of the bullpen. That leaves us needing to find 1 right handed relief pitcher somewhere. In the last 2 years, KW has managed to find MacDougal, Thorton, and Jenks to fill out a majority of the bullpen, in addition to finding a couple other bargains-at-the-time in follks like Hermanson. We need to find 1 righty relief pitcher. That is not an overwhelming request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I think Riske is underrated here (not that he was that good, just that he wasn't that bad.) Jenks, Thornton, MacDougal, Cotts (just because he is left handed,) are all above Riske in the bullpen chain, and he's cheap. What's the big deal bringing him back around $2 million? I didn't realize he was that effective against right handers as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 08:26 AM) Riske was basically a completely average reliever and at the moment that's really his upside. We want to upgrade and at worst have some guys with some upside in the pen, Riske just isn't good enough to keep around. He's not bad if you are talking about using him as the mop up guy, but it appears that job will be handled by someone like Haeger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 09:27 AM) He's not bad if you are talking about using him as the mop up guy, but it appears that job will be handled by someone like Haeger. Which is exactly the type of guy who should handle that role: young, $400k a year, project pitcher, who can give you quite a few innings if a game goes 17. Not a guy coming out of Free Agency who's certain to cost at least a couple times that much. Edited October 30, 2006 by Balta1701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 11:24 AM) What's the big deal bringing him back around $2 million? I didn't realize he was that effective against right handers as well Aside from what Balta said, two million could make a noteable difference when you consider the raises players across the team will receive. Such an amount may be the deciding factor in drawing a FA to our ballclub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Aside from what Balta said, two million could make a noteable difference when you consider the raises players across the team will receive. Such an amount may be the deciding factor in drawing a FA to our ballclub. I doubt it. People were saying this 500K from 7-11 "was no big deal." Is it a "big deal" to pay a guy who typical has an ERA in the 3's, a WHIP around 1.3 $1.5 million to be your 5th option out of the pen? Hell no. I'd rather see Riske at $2 million instead of Tracey or Logan or some other flash in the bottle during spring training making less than 400 K in that role. Then again we could spend that money on a backup catcher: The Cubs are expected to try to re-sign free agent Henry Blanco. They'd like him to reprise his role as Michael Barrett's backup, but there's speculation that White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen wants Blanco to back up A.J. Pierzynski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I would love Henry Blanco. The guy has a rifle behind the plate and is the exact sort of defensive backup we could use. That or give the backup job to Stewart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Another little thing I feel about this...while Riske may have been tolerable against Righties, he's also a bit disappointing against lefties, who put up an .818 OPS against him last year. Now, while Ozzie seems to obsess like crazy about the righty/lefty matchups when he's filling out his lineup, and when letting pitchers start innings, he's often struck me as not being nearly up to LaRussa's level when it comes to using a ROOGY the right way...1-2 batters and only against righties. He almost always seems to give whoever he brings in a couple of batters no matter the situation, at least to my eyes, which means that anyone we bring in would need to be able to face guys from both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Mop up guy-someone for 1 batter, we wont find anyone as qualified for that role than Riske. And maybe Coop can get something from him. He is experienced insurance and I would definatly keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Why do we have to have so many guys making the league min in our bullpen? Is there some kind of rule I'm missing? Cotts, Jenks, Thornton, Haeger, MacDougal are all cheap. Spending $2 million on a reliever is nothing regardless of what his role is. Look how much relievers have been getting the past few offseason. The bullpen next season could cost $6 million next season and be: Jenks-closer Thorton and Cotts as LOOGY's and/or left handed setup man MacDougal-right handed setup man Riske-6/7th inning guy. (Our starters should still be expected to go 7 innings next year) Haeger-long man QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Another little thing I feel about this...while Riske may have been tolerable against Righties, he's also a bit disappointing against lefties, who put up an .818 OPS against him last year. Now, while Ozzie seems to obsess like crazy about the righty/lefty matchups when he's filling out his lineup, and when letting pitchers start innings, he's often struck me as not being nearly up to LaRussa's level when it comes to using a ROOGY the right way...1-2 batters and only against righties. He almost always seems to give whoever he brings in a couple of batters no matter the situation, at least to my eyes, which means that anyone we bring in would need to be able to face guys from both sides. Your sample size is 16 batters, or about 5 innings of work Riske shouldn't be used in late situations where managers focus on the lefty/lefty and righty/righty matchups. Everytime when Ozzie started to use the LOOGY in the 6th or 7th inning, he got burned. Remember the Shingo 3 HR in the 9th against Cleveland? That was due to Ozzie overmanaging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 10:03 AM) Why do we have to have so many guys making the league min in our bullpen? Is there some kind of rule I'm missing? Because every single guy on your roster making the league minimum helps you spend money somewhere else. And even if we trade 1 starter, we're still spending $40 million on the starting rotation, 12 m on Konerko, 5 m on Dye, Pierzynski, etc. We're already close to having $100 million committed to people already. And guys like Buehrle, Dye, Crede, Iguchi are going to be due raises, especially if we want Buehrle and Dye to not walk at the end of 07 for nothing. One of the reasons we need to have cheap guys in our bullpen is that we have spent money somewhere else. We can probably afford to fit in 1 guy making a couple million next year if we have to, but it's going to be a much bigger improvement if we spend that money on someone who puts up better numbers than Riske out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 There just aren't any good options out there for two million. I suppose you could spend $3 million a year on LaTroy Hawkins, but the Cubs wrecked him mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 10:11 AM) Your sample size is 16 batters, or about 5 innings of work At least according to ESPN, it's 50 batters last season not 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At least according to ESPN, it's 50 batters last season not 16. Yeah I read TB as "Total batters." Looking at the numbers, it's the walks that killed him. LH had a higher OBP against than SLG% against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 riske at 1.8 mil isn't a bad insurance policy. better than augustin montero or whatever the hell that guy's name is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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