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Floyd has a nice two-seamer working tonight, but I have to say I'm a little dissappointed that his fastball is only topping out at 89 on the Comcast gun. If he pitches another scoreless inning or two, I think he'll actually pass Danks in ERA...

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Uh...did Hawk just say that David Eckstein is the biggest over achiever he'd ever seen? While it might be true, it gets me thinking when he starts praising players that aren't playing in the game.

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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 09:46 PM)
Floyd has a nice two-seamer working tonight, but I have to say I'm a little dissappointed that his fastball is only topping out at 89 on the Comcast gun. If he pitches another scoreless inning or two, I think he'll actually pass Danks in ERA...

 

Who knows what to think of these guns. Gameday has him topping out at 94.

 

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QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 08:53 PM)
Who knows what to think of these guns. Gameday has him topping out at 94.

He's probably between. And in this rain, I wouldn't read too much into velocity in any case.

 

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maybe he just mentioned eckstein because the Cardinals are in town to play the Cubs.

 

hope.

 

our defense is soooooo bad.

 

Fields couldn't even throw the ball to the cutoff man in the infield on the fly.

 

if Crede doesn't come back next season, we're hosed.

 

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QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 09:04 PM)
maybe he just mentioned eckstein because the Cardinals are in town to play the Cubs.

 

hope.

 

our defense is soooooo bad.

 

Fields couldn't even throw the ball to the cutoff man in the infield on the fly.

 

if Crede doesn't come back next season, we're hosed.

Fields' arm is not that weak - its pouring rain out there. And you can't really translate his LF play to 3B play anyway. Crede is still a better defender (assuming he is healthy), but its not as if Fields is a butcher out there like Gonzalez or Cintron.

 

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QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 10:04 PM)
maybe he just mentioned eckstein because the Cardinals are in town to play the Cubs.

 

hope.

 

our defense is soooooo bad.

 

Fields couldn't even throw the ball to the cutoff man in the infield on the fly.

 

if Crede doesn't come back next season, we're hosed.

 

I really haven't seen many games this year. Are you suggesting Fields has a bad arm. How does a major college football quarterback have a noodle baseball arm?

 

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Fields looks adequate at third.

 

The throw was poor, but the conditions are bad.

 

AJ looked pissed that Gonzo didn't continue the relay.

 

and I'd be happy if Gonzalez, Cintron and about 10 others never appeared in our third base dugout again.

 

But overall the point remains -- our defense ain't good.

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I'm simply saying that Fields made a terrible throw on that ball.

 

He bounced it to Gonzalez from medium left field.

 

Because of his inexperience in left field, he looked bad. Different throwing motion from left field than third base.

 

If he is going to play lfield next season, which seems likely, he's going to need a lot of work out there.

 

having him in left and owens in center, teams are going to run, run, run on us.

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QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 10:11 PM)
I'm simply saying that Fields made a terrible throw on that ball.

 

He bounced it to Gonzalez from medium left field.

 

Because of his inexperience in left field, he looked bad. Different throwing motion from left field than third base.

 

If he is going to play lfield next season, which seems likely, he's going to need a lot of work out there.

 

having him in left and owens in center, teams are going to run, run, run on us.

 

When I think of the arms we have featured in left over the years, I've got to believe Fields will be an upgrade.

 

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QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 10:15 PM)
Floyd on the hook for the loss now.

 

 

It's too bad, but of more importance was his performance against a good team on a mission.

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No reason for Myers to pitch for the Sox ever again. He is toast.

Edited by Soxfest

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QUOTE(G&T @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 01:48 AM)
Uh...did Hawk just say that David Eckstein is the biggest over achiever he'd ever seen? While it might be true, it gets me thinking when he starts praising players that aren't playing in the game.

 

It gets me scared to death about our offseason.

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This would be the perfect sequence....Floyd pitches well, but we lose and Tampa won. I'm sure Fields couldn't get a good grip on that ball.

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QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 09:11 PM)
I'm simply saying that Fields made a terrible throw on that ball.

 

He bounced it to Gonzalez from medium left field.

 

Because of his inexperience in left field, he looked bad. Different throwing motion from left field than third base.

 

If he is going to play lfield next season, which seems likely, he's going to need a lot of work out there.

 

having him in left and owens in center, teams are going to run, run, run on us.

 

Pulling a wet ball out of your wet mitt and then making a relay throw is a bit harder than you think. If it was dry and he screwed the pooch sure give him hell. But when it is raining. Andy however not making the relay was just baseball dumb.

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QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 07:52 PM)
Question for the board....is Richar playing himself out of a starting spot for next year?

 

He the greatest :ph34r:

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QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 10, 2007 -> 09:19 PM)
This would be the perfect sequence....Floyd pitches well, but we lose and Tampa won. I'm sure Fields couldn't get a good grip on that ball.

 

Im following a work right now, talking about that same thing with the guys in the office.

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It's shameful they're playing in these conditions....if one of the Indians players got hurt and missed the playoffs, that would be ridiculous.

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Floyd's last few starts have really been encouraging to me for 2008.

Edited by Soxfest

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With a handful of arms that we aren't quite sure about, I think my plan for the offseason has changed a bit. I now want both Garland and Contreras traded, and two of Floyd/Haeger/Egbert/Gonzalez to take over the fourth and fifth spots. I understand the potential for disaster is there, especially since you're moving an above average #5 starter in Danks into a spot where he becomes below average (#3), but the 2008 season is going to be a gamble anyways. Trade Garland and Contreras for a combination of your 2008 SS and prospects, sign one of those CFers (Bradley, Jones, Cameron, Rowand/Hunter in that order), let Crede take third, put Fields in left and hope to hell that you can mash the crap out of teams (and that your bullpen bounces back big time).

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