scenario Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Here's an interesting comparison (2007 numbers) Player G A-B Hits 2B HR RBI BBs SOs AVG OBP SLG OPS One 162 628 174 34 24 78 101 155 .277 .390 .462 .852 Two 150 539 141 36 22 78 100 131 .262 .381 .455 .836 Player One = Grady Sizemore Player Two = Nick Swisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 04:08 PM) Swisher was joking around saying that he will have to hop on that treadmill every day to get his cardio refreshed if he is going to be the every day CF. I really think he'll play LF. I'm kind of hoping Owens does well in spring training so he can be the every day CF/ leadoff man. The only other guy out there that KW could possibly get is Crisp to leadoff.. If Owens had 30+ SBs in the limited amount of time he had last year i think he can be a nice suprise in 2008 if given the chance for a full season. I wouldnt be upset if we get Crisp also... Thankfully, the White Sox have neither any place to play Coco Crisp for the next several years nor do they have anything of value to trade for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:26 PM) Thankfully, the White Sox have neither any place to play Coco Crisp for the next several years nor do they have anything of value to trade for him. ... unless the Red Sox are looking for a .200 hitting defensive CF "prospect". Then they can have the cream of the Triple A crop, Mr. Brian Anderson!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(scenario @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 07:15 PM) Here's an interesting comparison (2007 numbers) Player G A-B Hits 2B HR RBI BBs SOs AVG OBP SLG OPS One 162 628 174 34 24 78 101 155 .277 .390 .462 .852 Two 150 539 141 36 22 78 100 131 .262 .381 .455 .836 Player One = Grady Sizemore Player Two = Nick Swisher Wow. If it was DLS/Gio/Sweeney for Sizemore people would party in the streets in joy. But at the same time, he offers more speed and a bit better defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Some interesting stats on Swisher; The Marcels are a simple way of calculating a player forecast. Named after the monkey from Friends (so simple a monkey could do them), they simply consist of averaging a player's previous experience (with greatest weight on the most recent years) and regressing to the major league average depending on the number of years the player has been in the majors. This is done for each component (home runs, doubles, walks, etc.) A simple aging factor is applied, but no park factor. Marcels Batting; .257/.358/.482. OPS - .840 27 HR's, 73 BB's, 122 K's. Swisher had a RZR in CF of .878. Revised Zone Rating is the proportion of balls hit into a fielder's zone that he successfully converted into an out. For a comparisons sake, Aaron Rowand had a RZR of .861 in 2007. In 2005, Rowand had a RZR of .867. Brian Anderson in 2006 had a RZR of .905. Swisher's BA/RISP. 04 - .200 05 - .219 06 - .191 07 - .252 So he looks more suited to a top of the order hitter to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 04:33 PM) Wow. If it was DLS/Gio/Sweeney for Sizemore people would party in the streets in joy. But at the same time, he offers more speed and a bit better defense. And he's sexier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 07:37 PM) And he's sexier. NEVER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(scenario @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 07:15 PM) Here's an interesting comparison (2007 numbers) Player G A-B Hits 2B HR RBI BBs SOs AVG OBP SLG OPS One 162 628 174 34 24 78 101 155 .277 .390 .462 .852 Two 150 539 141 36 22 78 100 131 .262 .381 .455 .836 Player One = Grady Sizemore Player Two = Nick Swisher Yeah, but Grady Sizemore sucks because he strikes out a lot. Obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 I like the sounds of this trade. Looks like KW got things in order with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:59 PM) Baseball Reference Link for more information I thought so. I do not think it means what you think it means. That's not Dontrelle's park-adjusted era that you're citing, that's the park-adjusted era for a league average pitcher (lgERA). It's used to provide a reference to compare a pitcher to. So an average pitcher throwing in the same parks would have an era of 4.17. Willis had an era of 3.78, or an era+ of 110 -- about 10% better than a league-average pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:16 PM) I thought so. I do not think it means what you think it means. That's not Dontrelle's park-adjusted era that you're citing, that's the park-adjusted era for a league average pitcher (lgERA). It's used to provide a reference to compare a pitcher to. So an average pitcher throwing in the same parks would have an era of 4.17. Willis had an era of 3.78, or an era+ of 110 -- about 10% better than a league-average pitcher. I don't think you've got those exaclty right either, not if you're talking about last year at least. There's no way that Willis had anything close to an ERA above the league average last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:30 PM) I don't think you've got those exaclty right either, not if you're talking about last year at least. There's no way that Willis had anything close to an ERA above the league average last year. No, the 4.17 stat corresponds to Willis's career, so it should be compared to his career average. Last year obviously he was below league average (an era+ of 83). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:30 PM) I don't think you've got those exaclty right either, not if you're talking about last year at least. There's no way that Willis had anything close to an ERA above the league average last year. The numbers he's looking at are for his career average, not last year specifically (I'm almost certain at least). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Nick Swisher and Grady Sizemore shouldn't even be in the same sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:41 PM) Nick Swisher and Grady Sizemore shouldn't even be in the same sentence. Don't you mean to say, "Nick Swisher and that guy shouldn't even be in the same sentence. And by 'that guy', I mean Grady Sizemore"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(scenario @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:15 PM) Here's an interesting comparison (2007 numbers) Player G A-B Hits 2B HR RBI BBs SOs AVG OBP SLG OPS One 162 628 174 34 24 78 101 155 .277 .390 .462 .852 Two 150 539 141 36 22 78 100 131 .262 .381 .455 .836 Player One = Grady Sizemore Player Two = Nick Swisher hmm, nice number comparison except for the fact Sizemore is putting up those numbers as a leadoff hitter and Swisher as a middle of the order guy. I see you forgot to mention that Sizemore is 1-2 years younger, has much more speed, plays a whole lot better defense, and is much better with RISP. Whoever said it, if it was Gio, DLS, and Sweeney for Sizemore I would be jumping in joy because Sizemore is 10x the ballplayer Swisher is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 I honestly think Gio will be the only useful piece Oakland gets in this deal. Only real starter material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Ryan Sweeney will tear it up in Oakland, you can bank on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 This is just wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 08:55 PM) Ryan Sweeney will tear it up in Oakland, you can bank on that. Yeah, it's not like that park will further hurt his power potential or anything. Maybe the won't try to stick him out of position there. QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 08:56 PM) This is just wrong... Yeah, I told him to lose the necklace a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:44 PM) Don't you mean to say, "Nick Swisher and that guy shouldn't even be in the same sentence. And by 'that guy', I mean Grady Sizemore"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 08:58 PM) Much better.... He looks cuddly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 08:57 PM) Yeah, it's not like that park will further hurt his power potential or anything. Maybe the won't try to stick him out of position there. Yeah, I told him to lose the necklace a long time ago. Am I the only one who hates trading lefties with natural swings and loads of potential? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:01 PM) Am I the only one who hates trading lefties with natural swings and loads of potential? Like Jeremy Reed? No matter how good or bad Sweeney becomes, he was never going to get a chance here. Like Brian Anderson won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 QUOTE(Brian @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:02 PM) Like Jeremy Reed? No matter how good or bad Sweeney becomes, he was never going to get a chance here. Like Brian Anderson won't. LOL, strange that he's still here and Ryan isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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