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Here's an interesting comparison (2007 numbers)

 

 

Player G  A-B  Hits  2B   HR  RBI  BBs  SOs  AVG  OBP  SLG  OPS 

One 162  628  174  34  24  78  101  155  .277  .390  .462  .852 

Two 150  539  141  36  22  78  100  131  .262  .381  .455  .836 

 

 

 

 

 

Player One = Grady Sizemore

Player Two = Nick Swisher

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QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 04:08 PM)
Swisher was joking around saying that he will have to hop on that treadmill every day to get his cardio refreshed if he is going to be the every day CF. I really think he'll play LF. I'm kind of hoping Owens does well in spring training so he can be the every day CF/ leadoff man. The only other guy out there that KW could possibly get is Crisp to leadoff.. If Owens had 30+ SBs in the limited amount of time he had last year i think he can be a nice suprise in 2008 if given the chance for a full season. I wouldnt be upset if we get Crisp also...

Thankfully, the White Sox have neither any place to play Coco Crisp for the next several years nor do they have anything of value to trade for him.

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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:26 PM)
Thankfully, the White Sox have neither any place to play Coco Crisp for the next several years nor do they have anything of value to trade for him.

... unless the Red Sox are looking for a .200 hitting defensive CF "prospect". Then they can have the cream of the Triple A crop, Mr. Brian Anderson!!!

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QUOTE(scenario @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 07:15 PM)
Here's an interesting comparison (2007 numbers)

Player G A-B Hits 2B HR RBI BBs SOs AVG OBP SLG OPS

One 162 628 174 34 24 78 101 155 .277 .390 .462 .852

Two 150 539 141 36 22 78 100 131 .262 .381 .455 .836

Player One = Grady Sizemore

Player Two = Nick Swisher

Wow.

 

If it was DLS/Gio/Sweeney for Sizemore people would party in the streets in joy. But at the same time, he offers more speed and a bit better defense.

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Some interesting stats on Swisher;

 

The Marcels are a simple way of calculating a player forecast. Named after the monkey from Friends (so simple a monkey could do them), they simply consist of averaging a player's previous experience (with greatest weight on the most recent years) and regressing to the major league average depending on the number of years the player has been in the majors. This is done for each component (home runs, doubles, walks, etc.) A simple aging factor is applied, but no park factor.

 

Marcels Batting;

 

.257/.358/.482. OPS - .840

27 HR's, 73 BB's, 122 K's.

 

Swisher had a RZR in CF of .878. Revised Zone Rating is the proportion of balls hit into a fielder's zone that he successfully converted into an out. For a comparisons sake, Aaron Rowand had a RZR of .861 in 2007. In 2005, Rowand had a RZR of .867. Brian Anderson in 2006 had a RZR of .905.

 

Swisher's BA/RISP.

04 - .200

05 - .219

06 - .191

07 - .252

 

So he looks more suited to a top of the order hitter to me.

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QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 04:33 PM)
Wow.

 

If it was DLS/Gio/Sweeney for Sizemore people would party in the streets in joy. But at the same time, he offers more speed and a bit better defense.

And he's sexier.

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QUOTE(scenario @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 07:15 PM)
Here's an interesting comparison (2007 numbers)

Player G A-B Hits 2B HR RBI BBs SOs AVG OBP SLG OPS

One 162 628 174 34 24 78 101 155 .277 .390 .462 .852

Two 150 539 141 36 22 78 100 131 .262 .381 .455 .836

Player One = Grady Sizemore

Player Two = Nick Swisher

Yeah, but Grady Sizemore sucks because he strikes out a lot. Obviously.

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QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:59 PM)
Baseball Reference

 

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I thought so. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

That's not Dontrelle's park-adjusted era that you're citing, that's the park-adjusted era for a league average pitcher (lgERA). It's used to provide a reference to compare a pitcher to. So an average pitcher throwing in the same parks would have an era of 4.17. Willis had an era of 3.78, or an era+ of 110 -- about 10% better than a league-average pitcher.

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QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:16 PM)
I thought so. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

That's not Dontrelle's park-adjusted era that you're citing, that's the park-adjusted era for a league average pitcher (lgERA). It's used to provide a reference to compare a pitcher to. So an average pitcher throwing in the same parks would have an era of 4.17. Willis had an era of 3.78, or an era+ of 110 -- about 10% better than a league-average pitcher.

I don't think you've got those exaclty right either, not if you're talking about last year at least. There's no way that Willis had anything close to an ERA above the league average last year.

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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:30 PM)
I don't think you've got those exaclty right either, not if you're talking about last year at least. There's no way that Willis had anything close to an ERA above the league average last year.

No, the 4.17 stat corresponds to Willis's career, so it should be compared to his career average. Last year obviously he was below league average (an era+ of 83).

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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:30 PM)
I don't think you've got those exaclty right either, not if you're talking about last year at least. There's no way that Willis had anything close to an ERA above the league average last year.

The numbers he's looking at are for his career average, not last year specifically (I'm almost certain at least).

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QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:41 PM)
Nick Swisher and Grady Sizemore shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

Don't you mean to say, "Nick Swisher and that guy shouldn't even be in the same sentence. And by 'that guy', I mean Grady Sizemore"?

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QUOTE(scenario @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:15 PM)
Here's an interesting comparison (2007 numbers)

 

 

Player G A-B Hits 2B HR RBI BBs SOs AVG OBP SLG OPS

One 162 628 174 34 24 78 101 155 .277 .390 .462 .852

Two 150 539 141 36 22 78 100 131 .262 .381 .455 .836

 

 

 

 

 

Player One = Grady Sizemore

Player Two = Nick Swisher

 

hmm, nice number comparison except for the fact Sizemore is putting up those numbers as a leadoff hitter and Swisher as a middle of the order guy. I see you forgot to mention that Sizemore is 1-2 years younger, has much more speed, plays a whole lot better defense, and is much better with RISP.

 

Whoever said it, if it was Gio, DLS, and Sweeney for Sizemore I would be jumping in joy because Sizemore is 10x the ballplayer Swisher is.

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I honestly think Gio will be the only useful piece Oakland gets in this deal. Only real starter material.

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QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 08:55 PM)
Ryan Sweeney will tear it up in Oakland, you can bank on that.

 

Yeah, it's not like that park will further hurt his power potential or anything. Maybe the won't try to stick him out of position there.

 

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 08:56 PM)
This is just wrong...

 

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Yeah, I told him to lose the necklace a long time ago.

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QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:44 PM)
Don't you mean to say, "Nick Swisher and that guy shouldn't even be in the same sentence. And by 'that guy', I mean Grady Sizemore"?

:lol:

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QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 08:57 PM)
Yeah, it's not like that park will further hurt his power potential or anything. Maybe the won't try to stick him out of position there.

 

 

 

Yeah, I told him to lose the necklace a long time ago.

Am I the only one who hates trading lefties with natural swings and loads of potential?

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QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:01 PM)
Am I the only one who hates trading lefties with natural swings and loads of potential?

 

Like Jeremy Reed?

 

No matter how good or bad Sweeney becomes, he was never going to get a chance here. Like Brian Anderson won't.

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QUOTE(Brian @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:02 PM)
Like Jeremy Reed?

 

No matter how good or bad Sweeney becomes, he was never going to get a chance here. Like Brian Anderson won't.

 

LOL, strange that he's still here and Ryan isn't.

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