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The other one was getting bulky - so here's your new Democrat thread. Fresh and new for your pleasure.

 

This is a great place to talk about random "I love Obama" stuff by the way.

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nytimes finally starts saying "hey, McCain's plans are kind of whacky"

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/polit...9health.html?hp

 

yesterday had a classic look at his "balance the budget by 2013!" talk.

 

You know how he plans on doing it? Why, of course, because we're going to win the war, so that'll give us a bunch of money, because we can scale back operations. Since we aren't spending money that we thought we would be, it is therefore revenue! It's kind of thinking like this!

 

I want to buy a 93 million dollar house. Instead I buy rent for 300 a month. Therefore, I have 93 million to spend!!?! right?!?!

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Looks like the Straight Talk Express lost a few wheels-

 

McCain Campaign Restricts Press Access

 

Welcome to the new John McCain press strategy.

 

Avoid them.

 

McCain today held a 10-minute press conference, complete with podium, microphones for the questioners, network-quality audio and a camera for a local television station, which allowed CNN to carry it live.

 

And where was the national press corps?

 

Sitting on the runway 27 miles away, having been ferried to McCain's charter plane, totally unaware that a press availability was about to take place until one of the handful of "pool reporters" sent an e-mail alert.

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access has been whittled away as McCain became the nominee. The Straight Talk is reserved now as a carrot for local reporters, leaving the national press corps on a charter bus trailing behind.

 

The new approach may reflect the growing influence of the newly-powerful Steve Schmidt, a top adviser and protege of Bush political guru Karl Rove, who was famous for his desire to control the press's access to his candidate.

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As was noted in a blog, they way want to change the last line in the ad:

In an ironic touch, the ad, after showing at least half a dozen of McCain's positions on when the troops would come home, concludes that he represents "more of the same on Iraq."

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Dang those pesky facts, they get in the way of old fashioned political slander:

 

FactCheck.org: McCain misrepresents Obama's stand on naming Revolutionary Guard as terrorists.

Summary

John McCain is attacking Barack Obama's opposition to the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which (among other things) called for labeling Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization. McCain claims that Obama's opposition means that he also opposed calling the IRGC terrorists. We find otherwise.

 

* Obama cosponsored an earlier bill that also called for designating the IRGC as a terrorist organization.

 

* The Kyl-Lieberman amendment did more than just label the IRGC terrorists. Obama stated at the time that he opposed the bill on the grounds that it constituted "saber-rattling."

 

* McCain claims that Obama must oppose calling the IRGC a terrorist group because Obama's Web site doesn't say anything about the IRGC. McCain's argument is a glaring example of the logical fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam.

 

Analysis

For the past two weeks, presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain and Democratic front-runner (and now presumptive nominee) Barack Obama have engaged in a war of words over their respective positions on Iran. In a June 2 speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, McCain upped the ante, criticizing Obama's failure to support an amendment that called for designating Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a terrorist organization, a charge that McCain repeats on his Web site. It's true that Obama opposed the amendment in question. But McCain is wrong to suggest that Obama's opposition had anything to do with the IRGC's designation. And McCain fails to mention that Obama cosponsored an earlier bill that would have named the IRGC a terrorist organization.

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^^ By the way I think it's funny that Jackson implies that Obama is wrong for telling black people to accept responsibility for themselves, and suggests they rely on the government instead.

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I've learned this... Jackson likes to think he represents the entire African American community, but he does not. I've learned to ignore anything he says as him just trying as hard as he can to be MLK.

 

By the way, Bill O'Reilly actually was very fair about:

How is reaching out to faith based organizations talking down to black people? Is it talking down to them by telling them not to rely completely on the government for help?

Edited by Athomeboy_2000

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They voted on Medicare today. The vote was to stop reducing the amount of money Medicare pays to medical professionals for treatment. 99 Senators out of 100 made it in. Only John McCain didn't make it to Washington for the vote.

 

Ted Kennedy, who is currently receiving treatment for brain cancer, did. Which is excellent.

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McCain has chimed in. and he say's Obama wavers. I have no idea how he would have voted on this bill. no wonder he didnt show up like usual.

"Doctors are the heart of our health care system, and it is essential that they receive the funding needed to ensure quality care for our seniors. I fully support that aspect of this bill. However, Congressional leaders have once again decided to put partisan positioning over the well being of millions of our seniors. We should not hold our doctors and seniors hostage to political gamesmanship and political votes. While this bill does meet our obligation to provide proper reimbursements to Medicare physicians, it also rolls back important reforms, increases drug premiums, and places 2.3 million seniors at risk of losing the private health care coverage of their choice."

 

Rep. Pete Stark (D-CA) rips McCain for being a no show:

"Senator Kennedy managed to make it back from treatment for cancer, but Senator McCain couldn't be bothered. Senator McCain, who wants to be our next President, has skipped this vote three times now. Clearly, he'd rather hide than face up to the insurance industry. You can do that when you're in the U.S. Senate, maybe voters should leave him there."
Edited by Athomeboy_2000

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QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 09:18 PM)
They voted on Medicare today. The vote was to stop reducing the amount of money Medicare pays to medical professionals for treatment. 99 Senators out of 100 made it in. Only John McCain didn't make it to Washington for the vote.

 

Ted Kennedy, who is currently receiving treatment for brain cancer, did. Which is excellent.

 

did it pass? so is medicare getting even more expensive?

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QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 11:01 PM)
did it pass? so is medicare getting even more expensive?

 

It passed rather comfortably. Medicare isn't getting more expensive. Medicare is just not going to reduce the amount that it will pay medical providers for medical services.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 11:15 PM)
D'OH!

 

I find it obnoxious when people hide behind the "I'm a vet and you're not!" thing and avoid any criticism. It's a pet peeve of mine.

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 07:50 AM)
I find it obnoxious when people hide behind the "I'm a vet and you're not!" thing and avoid any criticism. It's a pet peeve of mine.

I've said for a while that I think McCain uses his POW experience to hide and avoid criticisms. A few weeks ago, a McCain supporter said flat out that McCain's flip-flops, I'm sorry.... shifts in position, were far less important than Obama's because McCain was a POW and he deserves some slack.

 

Remember, back in 1982, John McCain said: "One of the things I've never tried to do is exploit my Vietnam service to my country because it would be totally inappropriate to do."

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A few weeks back John McCain said that a lot of our problems are "psychological."

 

Today, a John McCain Adviser:

"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession... We have sort of become a nation of whiners...You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline"

 

Suck up you whinny American's and take it in the butt by the Chinese!

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So it's only in peoples' heads when they get laid off and their jobs don't come back?

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McCain Awkward Moment of the Day when he actually gets called out on an issue.

 

While John McCain often embodies an anything-goes attitude when talking to reporters, it doesn't mean some subjects can't make him sweat--say, birth control.

 

A female Los Angeles Times reporter inquired today about comments made earlier this week by McCain campaign adviser Carly Fiorina, the former head of Hewlett Packard.

 

At a breakfast with reporters, Fiorina suggested that individuals-and women in particular-be given more flexibility to determine what their health insurance plans should cover. "There are many health insurance plans that will cover Viagra but won't cover birth-control medication. Those women would like a choice," she observed.

 

When McCain was asked for his position on the issue, he said--with a nervous laugh-"I certainly do not want to discuss that issue."

 

The reporter pressed. "But apparently you've voted against--"

 

"I don't know what I voted," McCain said.

 

The reporter explained that McCain voted against a bill in 2003 that would have required health insurance companies to cover prescription birth control. "Is that still your position?" she persisted.

 

During the awkward exchange, with several lengthy pauses, McCain said he had no immediate knowledge of the vote. "I've cast thousands of votes in the Senate," McCain said, then continued: "I will respond to--it's a, it's a..."

 

"Delicate issue," the reporter offered, to a relieved laugh from McCain.

 

"I don't usually duck an issue, but I'm--I'll try to get back to you," he explained.

 

 

This reporter wont be on the Straight Talk Express tomorrow I am guessing. This video will resurface in ads targeted towards women... mark my words.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 11:34 AM)
A lot of people keep calling Obama out for throwing people under the bus. Why don't they do it for examples like this?

Let me just add that I personally think the accusations of candidates throwing people under the bus is ridiculous. If a supporter/surrogate says something stupid what else do you expect the candidate to do? Agree with them?

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 10:34 AM)
A lot of people keep calling Obama out for throwing people under the bus. Why don't they do it for examples like this?

“not representative of McCain’s views”??? He did say a few weeks back that our economic situation was largely psychological. Doesnt psychological = mental?

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Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.:

"One of Senator McCain's top economic advisors may think that when people are struggling with lost jobs, stagnant wages, and the rising costs of everything from gas to groceries, it's merely a 'mental recession.' And Senator McCain may think it's sufficient to offer energy proposals that he admits will have mainly 'psychological' benefits. But the American people know that our economic problems aren't just in their heads. They don't need psychological relief – they need real relief – and that's what Barack Obama will provide as President,"

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EEEEEEEEohhhh EEEEEEEEEEEohhhhh... (

 

BREAKING NEWS!

 

John McCain just FARTED!

 

Athomeboy_2000 wants you to know that pollutes the environment and therefore McCain flip-flopped on his anti-gas policy!

 

/back to your regulary scheduled anti-McCain thread known as the new Democrat thread!

 

:lolhitting

 

(I'm sorry, I just had to).

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Could you imagine the media frenzy that would happen if one of the candidates DID actually rip one while they were talking or something?

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 01:01 PM)
Could you imagine the media frenzy that would happen if one of the candidates DID actually rip one while they were talking or something?

I'm sure we'd see link after link of it if McCain did it. :lol:

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