The Democrat Thread

[bmags]

When that democrat georgia rep calls the all white gang of six racist, he's racist. When we point out that these "grassroots" protests are riddled with racist signs, we're racist.

 

When the crazy right fringe questions obama's birth, the networks cover it legitimately, for some reason, for weeks. They call Obama hitler, they ask, what are the comparisons to Obama and hitler, they say he's a socialist, the 24-hour news cyclists ask if Obama is going too far left with his agenda, they call him a racist, they cover is he's a racist, and the entire time they cry about how the media isn't fair and doesn't understand them. WHAAAA

 

hundreds of thousands protest world wide against the Iraq War. The media says, "Look at what the BUsh administration says the Iraqi's have. We must protect ourselves. Look at these generals we hired getting fed info from the pentagon as to why war is great!"

 

It's the same, it's so similar.

[kapkomet]

When that democrat georgia rep calls the all white gang of six racist, he's racist. When we point out that these "grassroots" protests are riddled with racist signs, we're racist.

 

When the crazy right fringe questions obama's birth, the networks cover it legitimately, for some reason, for weeks. They call Obama hitler, they ask, what are the comparisons to Obama and hitler, they say he's a socialist, the 24-hour news cyclists ask if Obama is going too far left with his agenda, they call him a racist, they cover is he's a racist, and the entire time they cry about how the media isn't fair and doesn't understand them. WHAAAA

 

hundreds of thousands protest world wide against the Iraq War. The media says, "Look at what the BUsh administration says the Iraqi's have. We must protect ourselves. Look at these generals we hired getting fed info from the pentagon as to why war is great!"

 

It's the same, it's so similar.

As I said, you're so right, you're wrong. Or I'll even say it this way - you're so wrong, you're right. Think about it.

 

[BigSqwert]

Pure comedy

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Of course race plays some part in these rallies, its only a question of how much. Yeah, there are racists in each party. Yeah, not all, not most, probably not even a majority of these tea partiers are motivated in any significant way by race.

 

But some chunk of them are definitely motivated on that factor, and I think its pretty silly to think that racism isn't more common among white, southern conservatives. It absolutely is. That is NOT to say that all people in that category are racist, or that everyone not in that category are not - just that the frequency is higher. No doubt about it.

 

And I think Rex is right - the GOP as a group are more influenced and guided by these whack-jobs than the Dems are by the lefty whack-jobs. This is why I have gone from being a usually-Republican voter to a usually-Democratic voter - I have no patience or tolerance for the hate and the social crusading into people's private lives. I have issues with both parties' platforms, but the GOP's decision to follow the crazies off a cliff meant that I went from being a center-right guy to a center-left guy.

 

[southsider2k5]

Of course race plays some part in these rallies, its only a question of how much. Yeah, there are racists in each party. Yeah, not all, not most, probably not even a majority of these tea partiers are motivated in any significant way by race.

 

But some chunk of them are definitely motivated on that factor, and I think its pretty silly to think that racism isn't more common among white, southern conservatives. It absolutely is. That is NOT to say that all people in that category are racist, or that everyone not in that category are not - just that the frequency is higher. No doubt about it.

 

And I think Rex is right - the GOP as a group are more influenced and guided by these whack-jobs than the Dems are by the lefty whack-jobs. This is why I have gone from being a usually-Republican voter to a usually-Democratic voter - I have no patience or tolerance for the hate and the social crusading into people's private lives. I have issues with both parties' platforms, but the GOP's decision to follow the crazies off a cliff meant that I went from being a center-right guy to a center-left guy.

 

What? The Obama platform has been all about getting into people's private lives. What do you think the health insurance debate is about? What do you think Cap and Trade is about?

 

I know I am posting in the Dem thread, but if you guys think the same thing that motivates the Republican crazies and shapes their policies isn't happening to the Democrats, there is a lot of self-examination that needs to take place.

[NorthSideSox72]

What? The Obama platform has been all about getting into people's private lives. What do you think the health insurance debate is about? What do you think Cap and Trade is about?

 

I know I am posting in the Dem thread, but if you guys think the same thing that motivates the Republican crazies and shapes their policies isn't happening to the Democrats, there is a lot of self-examination that needs to take place.

Actually, the key difference is that the Obama platform wants to intrude less into your private lives, but wants to take more of your money. I'd rather not give up more of EITHER, but if I have to choose one or the other, I'll choose giving up a little more in taxes, over more in freedoms.

 

[southsider2k5]

Actually, the key difference is that the Obama platform wants to intrude less into your private lives, but wants to take more of your money. I'd rather not give up more of EITHER, but if I have to choose one or the other, I'll choose giving up a little more in taxes, over more in freedoms.

 

Maybe not into your bedroom, but they are still totally into your private life. They are wanting to dictate all kinds of things about how you live, and they want you to pay for it for everyone else to live their ideal life.

 

The interesting thing about that last line is essentially that is how the Patriot Act got passed. Except for taxes, substitute security.

[Rex Kickass]

And I think Rex is right - the GOP as a group are more influenced and guided by these whack-jobs than the Dems are by the lefty whack-jobs. This is why I have gone from being a usually-Republican voter to a usually-Democratic voter - I have no patience or tolerance for the hate and the social crusading into people's private lives. I have issues with both parties' platforms, but the GOP's decision to follow the crazies off a cliff meant that I went from being a center-right guy to a center-left guy.

 

I'd argue its not that you're a center left guy, but rather that the GOP powerbase has gotten so extremist that they've moved their goalposts far enough to the right, that centrists have become "center left."

[NorthSideSox72]

I'd argue its not that you're a center left guy, but rather that the GOP powerbase has gotten so extremist that they've moved their goalposts far enough to the right, that centrists have become "center left."

That's probably a better description.

 

[bmags]

It's amazing how mad conservatives get about water level regulation.

[BigSqwert]

I'd argue its not that you're a center left guy, but rather that the GOP powerbase has gotten so extremist that they've moved their goalposts far enough to the right, that centrists have become "center left."

That's why I asked the other day if people thought a split in the party could occur. We're almost to the point where centrist conservatives have no voice or place in their own party.

[Rex Kickass]

That's why I asked the other day if people thought a split in the party could occur. We're almost to the point where centrist conservatives have no voice or place in their own party.

 

Nope, yet they have a place in the Democratic Party - oddly enough. The Dem tent is so big, it often times keep them from advancing an issue (see health care reform).

[BigSqwert]

I didn't know snakes had spines.

[NorthSideSox72]

I didn't know snakes had spines.

So here is an odd question. For people who are FORMER members of Presidential administrations, or of Congress (federal), do they get that fancy insurance coverage for life, after they leave? Just wondering.

 

[Rex Kickass]

So here is an odd question. For people who are FORMER members of Presidential administrations, or of Congress (federal), do they get that fancy insurance coverage for life, after they leave? Just wondering.

 

I believe it depends on their position held and length of time served.

[StrangeSox]

I didn't know snakes had spines.

 

Snakes have spines (they're vertebrates and descended from tetrapods) and sometimes even a claw!

 

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/09...tropy_handy.php

 

[StrangeSox]

Barack Chamberlain abandons missile defense system!!!!

 

Can't green the hyperlink. Missile defense just doesn't work and costs an enormous amount of money.

[bmags]

in addition, the cold war is over.

[Cknolls]

No pierogis for you, Mister President

[FlaSoxxJim]

I didn't know snakes had spines.

 

Of course they do. They're reptiles, not worms.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Glen Beck's own rant against Obama's "Czars" used against him:

Edited September 17, 2009 by Athomeboy_2000

[lostfan]

Barack Chamberlain abandons missile defense system!!!!

 

Can't green the hyperlink. Missile defense just doesn't work and costs an enormous amount of money.

Not only that but Iran doesn't have any long-range delivery systems and won't for at least another decade so even if they worked it's a moot point. They don't have nuclear warheads either, and we would be able to detect these kinds of developments well in advance. Interestingly though the critics' knee-jerk reaction focuses on what he's not doing as opposed to what he is doing. In the place of this program he proposed a system to counter short and medium-range missiles from Iran, the ones that actually do exist, with defense systems that actually work. Furthermore, the Iranians know that an attack of that magnitude is borderline suicidal and would almost certainly be followed by a crippling counterattack (if not preemptive one, before the missile launches).

 

In a similar vein, anyone who's been paying attention to The Conflict Formerly Known as the War on Terror in the last few weeks has noticed the Obama administration has been just as effective as the Bush administration in killing terrorists (Mehsud, Nabhan) but I haven't seen anyone talk about this anywhere from the usual national security peanut gallery. It doesn't fit the predetermined stereotype that Democrats are weak on terror and going to get us all killed.

Edited September 17, 2009 by lostfan

[kapkomet]

Not only that but Iran doesn't have any long-range delivery systems and won't for at least another decade so even if they worked it's a moot point. They don't have nuclear warheads either, and we would be able to detect these kinds of developments well in advance. Interestingly though the critics' knee-jerk reaction focuses on what he's not doing as opposed to what he is doing. In the place of this program he proposed a system to counter short and medium-range missiles from Iran, the ones that actually do exist, with defense systems that actually work. Furthermore, the Iranians know that an attack of that magnitude is borderline suicidal and would almost certainly be followed by a crippling counterattack (if not preemptive one, before the missile launches).

 

In a similar vein, anyone who's been paying attention to The Conflict Formerly Known as the War on Terror in the last few weeks has noticed the Obama administration has been just as effective as the Bush administration in killing terrorists (Mehsud, Nabhan) but I haven't seen anyone talk about this anywhere from the usual national security peanut gallery. It doesn't fit the predetermined stereotype that Democrats are weak on terror and going to get us all killed.

So why haven't we heard anything about it? It couldn't be that he has to placate his bats*** anti-war groups and keep it on the hush hush, right? With that said, I do agree with you on the missle defense if he's proposed putting in a short range missle defense in its place. I haven't had a chance to catch up on any news today at all except here, so I don't know anymore then what you just posted.

[lostfan]

I'll post links when I go home.

 

add: the everyday goings-on of counterterrorism from Bush to Obama haven't hardly changed at all, and won't, and Obama never said they would. Only in style and tone, and some of the critical strategic mistakes the Bush administration was making.

Edited September 17, 2009 by lostfan

[kapkomet]

'K, just don't mark2market my ass.