lostfan Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 26, 2009 -> 07:32 PM) So, frankly, I'm pleased with Reid. Wow. Totally shocked at him going for this, and pleased that Baucus was saying he'd vote for something like that. Just need to whip Bayh/Lincoln/Nelson not to vote against f'n cloture. Putting the public option in the final bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Wow, I cant remember the last time Reid did something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 12:35 AM) Putting the public option in the final bill? Â um...yeah. The PO was declared dead in the water 4 weeks ago, the baucus bill had no PO, had each one get voted down. Reid has appeared to not want to take any responsibility, and then... Â the HELP PO with an opt-out. Nuts. I'm thrilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Must have locked up 60 votes then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 01:25 AM) Must have locked up 60 votes then? Â I think they do for at least cloture, and then at least 50 for passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Oct 26, 2009 -> 06:39 PM) Wow, I cant remember the last time Reid did something like this. Â Because I don't think he ever has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 While I appreciate Reid showing some testicular fortitude, I still think the public option is the wrong path. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 06:39 AM) While I appreciate Reid showing some testicular fortitude, I still think the public option is the wrong path. The Republicans had 8 years to craft a health insurer friendly, market based solution to health care, and all they did was pretend there wasn't a problem. It's our turn to try to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 10:54 AM) The Republicans had 8 years to craft a health insurer friendly, market based solution to health care, and all they did was pretend there wasn't a problem. It's our turn to try to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 10:54 AM) The Republicans had 8 years to craft a health insurer friendly, market based solution to health care, and all they did was pretend there wasn't a problem. It's our turn to try to fix it. Â They blame the Republicans when the are out of power, and they still blame them while they are in complete power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:09 AM) They blame the Republicans when the are out of power, and they still blame them while they are in complete power. Other than being the party of No right now, how are they offering solutions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 09:10 AM) Other than being the party of No right now, how are they offering solutions? John McCain's health care plan was to fully eliminate the employer tax credit for insurance and push everyone onto the individual insurance market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 12:17 PM) John McCain's health care plan was to fully eliminate the employer tax credit for insurance and push everyone onto the individual insurance market. Good for business, but that's really screwing the rest of us. John McCain is economically illiterate and that's one of the reasons he lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 12:09 PM) They blame the Republicans when the are out of power, and they still blame them while they are in complete power. Who is blaming what on whom exactly in the last few posts? Edited October 27, 2009 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:27 AM) Who is blaming what on whom exactly in the last few posts? Â Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 12:27 PM) Really? Balta said the Republicans had the ability to get what they wanted to do now done and didn't even try, which is a true statement. It's not really blaming so much as it's a simple statement of fact, so how is it invalid in response to what NSS said (which I actually agree with for the record)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:29 AM) Balta said the Republicans had the ability to get what they wanted to do now done and didn't even try, which is a true statement. It's not really blaming so much as it's a simple statement of fact, so how is it invalid in response to what NSS said (which I actually agree with for the record)? Â They spent the last few months blaming Republicans, who don't hold the White House, nor a single house of Congress, for holding up progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 09:34 AM) They spent the last few months blaming Republicans, who don't hold the White House, nor a single house of Congress, for holding up progress. This is such a "sweep the dirt under the rug" post it's kind of remarkable if you actually believe that. It's like being pissed off at the government for the smoke in the L.A. basin but ignoring the giant wildfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 12:34 PM) They spent the last few months blaming Republicans, who don't hold the White House, nor a single house of Congress, for holding up progress. A true statement, yes the Democrats are inept, but what does it have to do with the subject at hand? Unless you're saying that's ALL the Dems have been doing, which... yeah no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:38 AM) This is such a "sweep the dirt under the rug" post it's kind of remarkable if you actually believe that. It's like being pissed off at the government for the smoke in the L.A. basin but ignoring the giant wildfire. How many times have Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi blamed the hold up on this bill because they "want bi-partisan support" when in reality they don't need it? If this is such a grand and great thing, shove it up our asses because we're all too stupid to know any better, right, oh towering inferno? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 It's not a secret that the Democrats haven't been able to herd their own cats to pass legislation, everyone knows this, it's been acknowledged several times, so you're just trying to change the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 it's also not a secret that the 60 vote supermajority required for everything passing the Senate is also a new development over the last 10 years or so, and especially the last 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 10:54 AM) The Republicans had 8 years to craft a health insurer friendly, market based solution to health care, and all they did was pretend there wasn't a problem. It's our turn to try to fix it. I didn't say I like the GOP approach either. Their approach is basically no approach at all. The Dem approach has been 100 different approaches. Either model in the world of private business would result in running said business into the ground. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:43 AM) it's also not a secret that the 60 vote supermajority required for everything passing the Senate is also a new development over the last 10 years or so, and especially the last 3. And regardless of what party is in charge, I despise this fact. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 09:44 AM) I didn't say I like the GOP approach either. Their approach is basically no approach at all. The Dem approach has been 100 different approaches. Either model in the world of private business would result in running said business into the ground. So basically you've accepted my premise that the only way to fix the system is to make health care public. Yay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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