The Republican Thread

[Rex Kickass]

And he's not going to let Achey keep spouting that s*** over and over for years if he didn't want it out there.

 

Rhetoric and action are two different things.

[southsider2k5]

Rhetoric and action are two different things.

 

The big difference between those two is that they don't have the ability to take action... yet.

[Rex Kickass]

The big difference between those two is that they don't have the ability to take action... yet.

 

Nothing in their history indicates that they even would.

[southsider2k5]

Nothing in their history indicates that they even would.

 

They are already supplying money and weapons to the Palestinians, and weapons and money in Iraq. In this day and age I don't believe you can't take people at their face value, especially if we allow them to go nuclear.

[southsider2k5]

And what the heck is Obama doing addressing the UN? I thought he was too busy solving the health care crisis to do anything else?

[NorthSideSox72]

And what the heck is Obama doing addressing the UN? I thought he was too busy solving the health care crisis to do anything else?

Yeah, Barack, get on this Olympics thing, man!!!

 

And yes I actually mean that, selfishly.

 

[bmags]

Eh, he's doing reverse psychology.

 

"We don't even need the olympics, uh, yeah I'll send my wife, whatever"

 

They are totally gonna eat that up.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Yeah, Barack, get on this Olympics thing, man!!!

 

And yes I actually mean that, selfishly.

 

In all seriousness, how can it be that he "doesn't have time"? I mean he'll address the IOC quickly, attend for a couple hours but asides from that his time will be in a hotel or AF1. It's not as if he won't have access to pretty much anything he'd want/need.

[NorthSideSox72]

In all seriousness, how can it be that he "doesn't have time"? I mean he'll address the IOC quickly, attend for a couple hours but asides from that his time will be in a hotel or AF1. It's not as if he won't have access to pretty much anything he'd want/need.

I personally still think he ends up going.

 

[Balta1701]

I personally still think he ends up going.

I'll bet they think there's some benefit to playing coy about it.

[lostfan]

They are already supplying money and weapons to the Palestinians, and weapons and money in Iraq. In this day and age I don't believe you can't take people at their face value, especially if we allow them to go nuclear.

There's a pretty big difference between that, and knowingly and intentionally sending your country on an irreversible path to obliteration.

[Balta1701]

There's a pretty big difference between that, and knowingly and intentionally sending your country on an irreversible path to obliteration.

"We will bury you!"

[southsider2k5]

There's a pretty big difference between that, and knowingly and intentionally sending your country on an irreversible path to obliteration.

 

Its also a big difference in capability. Religious zealots don't value their homeland very much, it is whatever fate they are trying to fill that matters.

[Balta1701]

Its also a big difference in capability. Religious zealots don't value their homeland very much, it is whatever fate they are trying to fill that matters.

Serious question...can you cite an historical example of this happening? Of a country's leadership willingly destroying itself and its country to fulfill a religious belief, in the way you say we should worry about Iran doing here?

[southsider2k5]

Serious question...can you cite an historical example of this happening? Of a country's leadership willingly destroying itself and its country to fulfill a religious belief, in the way you say we should worry about Iran doing here?

 

Osama Bin Laden, twice.

[lostfan]

Its also a big difference in capability. Religious zealots don't value their homeland very much, it is whatever fate they are trying to fill that matters.

Like I said, this sort of nihilistic/apocalyptic worldview only applies to Salafist/Qutb followers (Sunnis), not Shia. Most of the Palestinian issues are political and have been put under the religious umbrella.

[lostfan]

Osama Bin Laden, twice.

Iran =/= Osama bin Laden (by the way, his brand of religion is basically made up by people who have no religious authority whatsoever)

Edited September 24, 2009 by lostfan

[Balta1701]

Iran =/= Osama bin Laden (by the way, his brand of religion is basically made up by people who have no religious authority whatsoever)

Here's the ≠ sign. Please keep it stored wherever you store that smiley.

[southsider2k5]

Like I said, this sort of nihilistic/apocalyptic worldview only applies to Salafist/Qutb followers (Sunnis), not Shia. Most of the Palestinian issues are political and have been put under the religious umbrella.

 

The President of Iran seems to subscribe to this newsletter.

[Balta1701]

The President of Iran seems to subscribe to this newsletter.

Really? Is this deliberately over the top or do you really have that little of an understanding of the Sunni/Shi'a split?

[lostfan]

The President of Iran seems to subscribe to this newsletter.

Incorrect.

 

That would be like saying you criticized Bush's spending, and so did Balta, therefore you have all the same political beliefs.

Edited September 24, 2009 by lostfan

[Rex Kickass]

They are already supplying money and weapons to the Palestinians, and weapons and money in Iraq. In this day and age I don't believe you can't take people at their face value, especially if we allow them to go nuclear.

 

They are doing this, because it helps consolidate power regionally. Supplying the Palestinian insurgency helps gain them influence in both Palestinian territories and, to a lesser extent, Lebanon. Supplying weapons and money in Iraq gives them influence in Iraq.

 

Deploying a nuclear weapon does nothing but end their power, not expand their power. Having a nuclear weapon and not deploying it expands their power virtually forces us to the table, because we suddenly have a vested interest in Iranian stability.

[southsider2k5]

Really? Is this deliberately over the top or do you really have that little of an understanding of the Sunni/Shi'a split?

 

The guy believes that it is his destiny to destroy Israel and bring forth the return of the prophet. What is there to understand?

[southsider2k5]

They are doing this, because it helps consolidate power regionally. Supplying the Palestinian insurgency helps gain them influence in both Palestinian territories and, to a lesser extent, Lebanon. Supplying weapons and money in Iraq gives them influence in Iraq.

 

Deploying a nuclear weapon does nothing but end their power, not expand their power. Having a nuclear weapon and not deploying it expands their power virtually forces us to the table, because we suddenly have a vested interest in Iranian stability.

 

Its not about expanding their power. You guys are thinking way too much like Americans. This isn't about money, or power, or any of that other crap. It is about fulfilling religious destiny.

[lostfan]

They are doing this, because it helps consolidate power regionally. Supplying the Palestinian insurgency helps gain them influence in both Palestinian territories and, to a lesser extent, Lebanon. Supplying weapons and money in Iraq gives them influence in Iraq.

 

Deploying a nuclear weapon does nothing but end their power, not expand their power. Having a nuclear weapon and not deploying it expands their power virtually forces us to the table, because we suddenly have a vested interest in Iranian stability.

Exactly correct. There are basic geopolitical reasons they do things just like any other country. They are out to preserve their country, not end it. Yes they are state sponsors of terror (Palestinians etc.) but the Sunni terrorists are their enemies.

 

The whole Israel/Holocaust schtick is an intentional distraction, always has been. The more attention that is paid to that, the less accountability they have to face both domestically and internationally.