Balta1701 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 11:00 AM) I'm sorry, but I can't see how anyone would say that's an error. The only way I'd say its an error is if you actually go by the "the first hit must be a perfectly clean hit" rule of thumb. If it wasn't the first hit of the game, I would think it would be ruled a hit without a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 01:07 PM) The only way I'd say its an error is if you actually go by the "the first hit must be a perfectly clean hit" rule of thumb. If it wasn't the first hit of the game, I would think it would be ruled a hit without a question. I'd be willing to bet that if it was a Pittsburg pitcher in that same situation, it would have been ruled an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 01:00 PM) I'm sorry, but I can't see how anyone would say that's an error. It looked to me like all he had to do was pick up a slow moving ground ball and make the throw. The last frame or so shows the runner not too far down the base path. The ball did not take a funny hop, or anything like that. So from that one vantage point, it seemed like an error. I also think Balta brings up a good point, these things are rarely ever 100% unbiased and accurate. There are a few "unwritten rules" like the first hit being 100% clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 01:13 PM) I'd be willing to bet that if it was a Pittsburg pitcher in that same situation, it would have been ruled an error. Yeah I agree with you, just like if the Brewers were at home it would've been ruled an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I think changing this from an error would be ridiculous. You can't retroactively go back and change a ruling just to make no-hitters happen. The call was made on the play at the time it happened, and it was a 50/50 call. Dozens of plays are ruled errors and or hits every day, and if we start changing them just to get no-hitters, well, that'll really mess the the rule books. Yost is so f***ing annoying it's ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco72 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 02:55 PM) I think changing this from an error would be ridiculous. You can't retroactively go back and change a ruling just to make no-hitters happen. The call was made on the play at the time it happened, and it was a 50/50 call. Dozens of plays are ruled errors and or hits every day, and if we start changing them just to get no-hitters, well, that'll really mess the the rule books. Yost is so f***ing annoying it's ridiculous. I don't mind Yost doing this - its a sign of support for his player, but I really doubt even he (Yost) believes it will get changed. I totally agree that retroactively changing calls that aren't clearly 'blown' makes no sense (though the error/hit official scoring is changed post-game with some regularity). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 01:55 PM) I think changing this from an error would be ridiculous. You can't retroactively go back and change a ruling just to make no-hitters happen. The call was made on the play at the time it happened, and it was a 50/50 call. Dozens of plays are ruled errors and or hits every day, and if we start changing them just to get no-hitters, well, that'll really mess the the rule books. Yost is so f***ing annoying it's ridiculous. He's sticking up for his guy. It may be annoying to you, but I bet it plays well in the clubhouse, and that is all Yost should be concerned with for the moment. IF and I emphasize *IF* you are going to go back, it would only happen if it "mattered". I would be most in favor of doing this for a no hitter because it doesn't take something away from one player and give it to another. An example of that would be a batting title. If that error or hit would swing a batting title, I'd clearly be against any over ruling except in a very clear cut example, perhaps fair or foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Well the Brewers have bigger fish to fry now. Sheets leaves game in the fifth throwing a two hitter.They are saying some crotch tightness going on for the ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 It was easily an error, play should have been made. However, they shouldn't change the scoring of the play after the fact to give him a no-no. If the scoring was to be changed, it should have been changed within an inning or so of the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 QUOTE (shipps @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 02:25 PM) Well the Brewers have bigger fish to fry now. Sheets leaves game in the fifth throwing a two hitter.They are saying some crotch tightness going on for the ace. he's not the ace anymore with C.C. in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I voted that it should have been called an error. The play should have been made, and I believe the average pitcher would have made it with no problem. That said, I don't think it should be overturned now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 play should have been made...but its my opinion that in every other game that isnt a no hitter...thats called a hit 80 percent of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 It wasn't anywhere near as close as Yost made it sound. The runner was moving pretty quick and was pretty far down the line and moving fast, and CC was all the way on the other side of the infield, and would've had to make a perfect throw. It's really not crazy to call it a hit. Yost sucks as a manager by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 The runner was only about 40 ft down the base line when CC reached the ball, FWIW. If he picks it up cleanly, its an easy out. Errors are definitely judged based on the individual player (which is part of what makes recording errors pretty ridiculous anyway). If Torii hunter gets to a ball that 95% of fielders won't even have a chance on, but it hits off of the heel of the glove, it will probably be scored an error. For the other 95%, it'll clearly be a hit. That also shows why defensive metrics are hard to evaluate accurately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 03:58 PM) he's not the ace anymore with C.C. in town. Hes not the Brewers top starter but the man is still an ace and it would be really bad news to them if he went down for a long stint.Hopefully its not something like what Pods went through,granted Pods was a leadoff man that depended on his speed and Sheets is a SP that kind of injury can put him on the bench just as easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 I might feel bad for him if some other player made the error, but it was his fielding screwup that led to the hit/error... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 If there was ever a game that should be rules as a no-hitter, it would be the Cubs game in which Kerry Wood gave up one hit and struck out 20 (that was a definite error by Kevin Orie, imo). I still believe that was the single greatest pitching performance of all time (not in the terms of stepping up in a big game, rather just in the terms of an utterly dominant performance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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