chisox2334 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 i believe in mr. raines and sox will be adding to payroll very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) I was thinking that I'd be satisfied if the Sox ended up getting two of these three: Furcal, Lowe, and Dunn. Even if it's not those guys specifically, I'd hope it would be a proven major league player at those respective positions (Starter, LF/RF, and 2B/SS). I think its safe to say that KW isnt after a FA pitcher. He was going to fill the lead off/OF/Pitching roles with trades or FA signings. With Bailey probably slotted for the 4th or 5th spot in the rotation I think its a pretty solid guess that any FA is going to be a corner OF'er or a leadoff man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:19 PM) I find it odd that these rumors have seemigly been around for the last month, and now it "happened"Â What changed? Â Perhaps the Reds finally agreed to take on the entire salary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:18 PM) I was thinking that I'd be satisfied if the Sox ended up getting two of these three: Furcal, Lowe, and Dunn. Even if it's not those guys specifically, I'd hope it would be a proven major league player at those respective positions (Starter, LF/RF, and 2B/SS). Â Furcal and Dunn are possibilities, no way on Lowe, Burnett or Sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:20 PM) Abreu would be a much better pick-up but the best pick-up would be Adam Dunn. A 3 to 4 year deal with him sliding into Thome's DH spot a year from now. The best part is you might just be able to get him to agree to a 4yr 32M deal with some incentives (given the current market conditions). Kenny has been trading our all or nothing OF'ers, I dont see him going after another one at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) I'm actually beginning to come around on this already. Bailey is something we are really lacking..a potential power righty in our rotation. Â As much as it pains me to give up one of my heroes, my head tells me that selling him high was the right move. We've been fairly lucky that he has remained healthy and has been consistently productive. Who knows how good Jermaine Dye will be now that he is entering his decline phase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:18 PM) For once, I agree with you completely. I actually welcome the idea of Taveras in CF and batting 9th. The problem then is finding a leadoff hitting infielder. If they have one in mind (ie: Furcal) then Taveras is a valuable commodity in the 9 hole. The key though is keeping him at the bottom of the lineup, he has no business at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:20 AM) I think its safe to say that KW isnt after a FA pitcher. He was going to fill the lead off/OF/Pitching roles with trades or FA signings. With Bailey probably slotted for the 4th or 5th spot in the rotation I think its a pretty solid guess that any FA is going to be a corner OF'er or a leadoff man. Â Yep, with KW making all of these trades for potential 4/5 starters in 2009, he can't then go out and sign a 10 million dollar a year pitcher also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:19 PM) Reds board reaction:Â http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread....2879&page=4 Â Reds fans really seem to feel that Bailey was mishandled there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:21 AM) Kenny has been trading our all or nothing OF'ers, I dont see him going after another one at this point. Â Agreed...everyone needs to remember that Ozzie and Abreu are great friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:22 PM) Yep, with KW making all of these trades for potential 4/5 starters in 2009, he can't then go out and sign a 10 million dollar a year pitcher also. Right. He is going to use the money in one spot, and that is now either an OF'er or a lead off guy, or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:21 PM) Kenny has been trading our all or nothing OF'ers, I dont see him going after another one at this point. He'd only play the OF for 1 season then become the full time DH in 2010. It's actually a perfect fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 How the f*** do we plan on scoring this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:23 PM) Agreed...everyone needs to remember that Ozzie and Abreu are great friends. So you can say that Abreu could probably be signed for Dye-type money, while he just bypassed the FA pitching market by trading Dye for a young, long-term arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Even though I'd have to say this is some of the best baseball conversation we've had on this board, everything said in this could be mute if OC doesn't decline within the next 150 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:20 PM) Wow. I really didn't think this would happen after the last couple of trades. The Sox have to have another move up their sleeve, because they can't go into next year with most of their most marketable players gone. They will have a hard time selling this if they don't figure out a way to plug some other holes. And I will be really pissed off if this move was forced by Cabrera coming back to the Sox. Â Â I don't think KW would do anything without being apprised of Cabrera's decision. Â As mentioned, it was "completed" before the WM even started...apparently. We needed another pitcher, everyone knows that, and Bailey is a better risk than Edwin Jackson IMO. Â This is a trade that KW has had his eye on for a long time, and independent of the SS situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 8, 2008 Author Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:23 PM) Right. He is going to use the money in one spot, and that is now either an OF'er or a lead off guy, or both. If OC came back, he could sign Furcal and move Ramirez to CF, accomplishing both. Put Furcal or OC at 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranktheTank35 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Bulls*** trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:23 PM) Agreed...everyone needs to remember that Ozzie and Abreu are great friends. Friendship means nothing over cash in pro sports. Â Besides, Abreu's too old for what he'd want money-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:24 AM) So you can say that Abreu could probably be signed for Dye-type money, while he just bypassed the FA pitching market by trading Dye for a young, long-term arm. Â Exactly, while adding a great base runner in Abreu. Both suck on defense though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:24 PM) Even though I'd have to say this is some of the best baseball conversation we've had on this board, everything said in this could be mute if OC doesn't decline within the next 150 minutes. Moot? Â But also very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:25 AM) Friendship means nothing over cash in pro sports. Besides, Abreu's too old for what he'd want money-wise.  Friendship means an awful lot in the Sox organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (chisox2334 @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:20 PM) i believe in mr. raines and sox will be adding to payroll very soon. Â Cowley said the same thing last week. If dye is moved, it's because they are adding in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 06:22 PM) The problem then is finding a leadoff hitting infielder. If they have one in mind (ie: Furcal) then Taveras is a valuable commodity in the 9 hole. The key though is keeping him at the bottom of the lineup, he has no business at the top. I could totally live with Taveras as our 9 hole hitter. I'm not opposed to 9 hole guys that can bunt, hit for relatively high averages, and steal bases while playing solid center field defense (in fact, compared to Swisher, Taveras would be pretty nice out there). The Sox would have a hole in the corner outfield but they could always just give that job to Viceido and see what he can do or get one of the FA guys out there to eventually agree to a 1 or 2 year deal (ie an Abreu/Burrel/Dunn/etc). Basically whichever one is sitting there come the middle of January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) I'm actually beginning to come around on this already. Bailey is something we are really lacking..a potential power righty in our rotation. I am with you completely, I will miss JD, but our rotation is starting to look incredibly good for many years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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