Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I'd be curious to see it because I think there could be at least a few attractive names that make that list. Chad Gaudin is a possibility. He isn't great but wouldn't be a bad 5th starter, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmywins1 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I've read that Willy Taveras, Tim Redding, Erik Bedard and a few others are non-tender candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 If Bedard was non-tendered, someone would have to be willing to give him a decent contract and take a chance. The guy was dominant two years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 09:42 PM) If Bedard was non-tendered, someone would have to be willing to give him a decent contract and take a chance. The guy was dominant two years ago. Coop Can Fix 'Em. Teach him the Cutter. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2000/05/2...-eligibles.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 08:43 PM) Coop Can Fix 'Em. Teach him the Cutter. . Sarcasm or not, I'm not really sure Bedard has a need for a cutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 10:17 PM) Sarcasm or not, I'm not really sure Bedard has a need for a cutter. Sarcasm, let's just make sure he's healthy before bringing him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 10:18 PM) Sarcasm, let's just make sure he's healthy before bringing him in. The only reason he'd be non-tendered is if the Mariners feel his shoulder is still in such bad shape that he'll be a non-factor in 2009 (the most recent report has him healing nicely) and if that's the case then I want nothing to do with him. I guarantee they'd be willing to gamble $7M and keep him around if they think there's any shot of him returning to form this up coming season. You don't just let the guy go for nothing just because he might be a waste of $7M after giving up Adam Jones to acquire him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 08:40 PM) I've read that Willy Taveras, Tim Redding, Erik Bedard and a few others are non-tender candidates. If we could *sign* Taveras for a reasonable sum I wouldn't be that opposed to it. If he needs to be trade for then I oppose it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I would think Carrasco and Wise are non-tender candidates. They aren't exactly the types that go to arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Gabe Gross is another candidate I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I have no problem signing a non-tendered Willy Taveras to a deal. I have a huge problem counting on him to be our starting CF and leadoff man, but I digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (R.J. @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:16 PM) I have no problem signing a non-tendered Willy Taveras to a deal. I have a huge problem counting on him to be our starting CF and leadoff man, but I digress. As of this moment, the Sox are relying on .220 AAA hitters and guys with 4.80 ERAs in AAA to contribute. Why not have a non tender who can't even get traded for Tim Redding lead off and play CF? Edited December 11, 2008 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 What's the difference between "non-tendering" a player and "releasing" a player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk23 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:09 PM) Gabe Gross is another candidate I believe. I keep hearing this and I just can't believe it. Gabe Gross is insanely popular with the TB fans. If he can be the 25th man what's the harm in holding onto him. He may not be very good at all, but do they have someone to replace him? Edited December 11, 2008 by chunk23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (chunk23 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:18 PM) I keep hearing this and I just can't believe it. Gabe Gross is insanely popular with the TB fans. If he can be the 25th man what's the harm in holding onto him. No place for him after the Matt Joyce deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:18 PM) What's the difference between "non-tendering" a player and "releasing" a player I don't think the non tenders go through waivers. Its basically the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I think you can also non-tending players that are in the pre-free agent years, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:37 PM) I think you can also non-tending players that are in the pre-free agent years, correct? Yes. Most if not all of the non-tenders are arb-eligible guys who are going to become more expensive than they think they are worth and cannot trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Jayson Stark's guess at non-tenders: PITCHERS Daniel Cabrera Chad Gaudin Jimmy Gobble Brandon Backe Takashi Saito Tyler Yates Wil Ledezma HITTERS Marcus Thames Gabe Gross John Buck Jose Bautista Chris Burke Willy Taveras Jonny Gomes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 The same Chris Burke that everyone wanted to trade for a few years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Wil Ledezma looked impressive for DET 2-3 seasons ago....serviceable spot starter and LH long man, at least he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Gross could be part of a crappy platoon, but we don't use platoons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 If a player is released/non-tendered, do they have to be compensated by their team if their contract was supposed to go longer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 If the player is under contract and is released by the team then the team is on the hook for the whole contract. For example: Mike MacDougal is under contract by the White Sox for $2.65M this season and is due a $350K buyout if his 2010 option is not exercised. If the White Sox released MacDougal today they'd have to pay him $3M. Non-tendering only refers to players who are not under contract, whether they be arbitration eligible or still pre-arb (and usually out of options), the team may decide their 40 man roster spot or the money it would take to retain said player is more valuable than the player himself so when the deadline for tendering contracts approaches the team can simply elect to not re-sign the player and will owe him no money (since he's not under contract). Tonight at 11pm is the deadline to tender contracts. If the Sox feel DJ Carrasco is not worth the couple hundred thousand it will cost to retain him or the two sides can not come to an agreement on a 1 year deal and the Sox don't feel it's worth going to arbitration with him the Sox can choose to simply not tender him a contract or non-tender him. Carrasco would become a free agent, the Sox wouldn't owe him a dime and they'd free up a spot on the 40 man roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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