SoxFanForever Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (tonyho7476 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:45 AM) No, its come on out and 'Meet the Mets'...not F the Mets Hah, touche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 As someone said, Dye > Abreu but Abreu + Bailey > Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmcochr Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 My only qualm with Abreu is the fact that he looks like Shrek. Â If he is even slightly faster than Dye, this is at least a decent alternative. Â Konerko + Thome + Dye = Three of the slowest guys in the MLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (maki @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 10:22 AM) like homer bailey under control for cheap for many years? Â I'd like Bailey to be the 5th starter. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I like the top 5 of  Getz Abreu Quentin Konerko Thome  And a rotation of Buehrle Danks Floyd Richard/Bailey/Marquez/Poreda  We may even be able to sign a bargain pitcher or trade some of the pitching prospects for someone more legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Â I like Abreu, but he should not be obtained under ANY circumstances short of JD being dealt. No more "CF experiementation", ala Swisher. Â If Dye is dealt then Abreu would be an AWESOME get...he'll hit for a better avg than JD (most likely), more speed, less power...age is about the same, but we'd have flipped JD into some young help. Â Abreu is a terrific hitter...it seems like Kenny is trying to 'rebuild on the fly'...getting younger and faster, dealing valuable, aging or unproductive resources, yet also keeping his eye on the focus of competing for the AL Central next year. Â Dye being trading and plugging a prospect into the RF hole suggests full scale rebuilding...plugging a professional hitter like Abreu into that spot suggests we're gonna go for it. I wanted to blow this team up 2 years ago, getting younger and faster...if Kenny can do it while also keeping the Sox competitive then he definately is better than I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 What will it take to get Abreu? 3 years, $24M-27M? I can't imagine anything much less. I'm imagining a scenario where Dye is traded and the savings goes on to the Reds. It essentially becomes a wash for the Sox salary wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (G&T @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 10:48 AM) What will it take to get Abreu? 3 years, $24M-27M? I can't imagine anything much less. I'm imagining a scenario where Dye is traded and the savings goes on to the Reds. It essentially becomes a wash for the Sox salary wise. 2 years 18 guaranteed, option for 3rd making the total about 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Personally, I think Bobby Abreu would be a much more valuable bat to our offense than JD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 11:00 AM) Personally, I think Bobby Abreu would be a much more valuable bat to our offense than JD. He would be, but mostly because he is a pretty clutch hitter. Â RISP career .316 .439 .531 Â 2008 RISP .296 .372 .450 Â Â Dye RISP .259 .336 .428 Â 2008 RISP .269 .304 .429 Â Â These are numbers with ALOT of at bats. This is something the team has missed, especially last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 12:00 PM) Personally, I think Bobby Abreu would be a much more valuable bat to our offense than JD. I don't necessarily agree with that. Â Abreu offers something that the Sox need more of for sure in OBP, but Dye himself had a .344 OBP last season and a better SLG %. Â It's basically a wash overall I think, although Abreu's power numbers could rise a little (but still Yankee Stadium is very favorable to LHH's). Â Just don't think you can downgrade JD's importance to the lineup. When Konerko and Thome were struggling, Dye was the one protecting CQ in the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I don't understand this quite frankly. They are virtually going to be a wash in salary. Maybe the sox will save 2 million which is not that much. They are both old. The only additional comment I would add is Abreu is from Ozzies country. Ozzie may want him or he might be thinking back to when Abreu schooled the sox this summer. Anyway, this doesn't seem like the greates of moves to me. I agree it depends on what Dye brings us via trade, but I don't see how this fits the younger stronger, faster cheaper plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:00 AM) Personally, I think Bobby Abreu would be a much more valuable bat to our offense than JD. I tend to agree. He would be a tremendous #2 hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 11:13 AM) I don't necessarily agree with that. Abreu offers something that the Sox need more of for sure in OBP, but Dye himself had a .344 OBP last season and a better SLG %.  It's basically a wash overall I think, although Abreu's power numbers could rise a little (but still Yankee Stadium is very favorable to LHH's).  Just don't think you can downgrade JD's importance to the lineup. When Konerko and Thome were struggling, Dye was the one protecting CQ in the order. Check out my post above. There is a definite difference in production between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Abreu would be a great asset offensively, though he has seemingly regressed the last couple of years. If the trade and signing happen, and barring other moves, the opening day lineup will probably look like   CF Owens/Lilli RF Abreu LF Quentin DH Thome 1B Konerko C AJ SS Ramirez 2b Getz/Lilli/Nix/Betemit 3B Fields  Not a bopping roster like we have had, but more athletic and better able to manufacture runs. Hopefully the top spot can be upgraded, but it sounds like a lot of people are attempting to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (quickman @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:14 AM) I don't understand this quite frankly. They are virtually going to be a wash in salary. Maybe the sox will save 2 million which is not that much. They are both old. The only additional comment I would add is Abreu is from Ozzies country. Ozzie may want him or he might be thinking back to when Abreu schooled the sox this summer. Anyway, this doesn't seem like the greates of moves to me. I agree it depends on what Dye brings us via trade, but I don't see how this fits the younger stronger, faster cheaper plan. If you get a pitcher out of it, then it's worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 12:15 PM) Check out my post above. There is a definite difference in production between the two. Well Abreu's a better hitter with RISP, I'll give him that. Â Just don't want to downgrade how good of a hitter JD has been for us over the past 4 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 11:19 AM) If you get a pitcher out of it, then it's worth it. Â Â Like I said it depends on what Dye brings us, but really I thought we would go for a younger player. I am not convinced this will happen. i hope it does, but somthign just doesn't add up yet. Â Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) If you can get something a bit more valuable than Homer Bailey, and are SURE that Abreu will sign, then trade Dye right now and get this all over with. I have no problem with that line of moves if it happens, and I'm sure the vast majority of people here would agree. Abreu brings a lot more versatility than Dye does, and is probably the better player at this point in time. Edited December 11, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 11:20 AM) Well Abreu's a better hitter with RISP, I'll give him that. Just don't want to downgrade how good of a hitter JD has been for us over the past 4 seasons. He has been, but Abreu is a better pure hitter than JD.  Dye 05-.274 .333 .512 06-.315 .385 .622 07-.254 .317 .486 08-.292 .344 .541  Abreu 05-.286 .405 .474 06-.277 .427 .434 07-.283 .369 .445 08-.296 .371 .471   Abreu gives us more avg and better OBP, with more hits with RISP . Thats the way I personally want this lineup to look like instead of low avg, low OBP and high SLG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (quickman @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 12:21 PM) Like I said it depends on what Dye brings us, but really I thought we would go for a younger player. I am not convinced this will happen. i hope it does, but somthign just doesn't add up yet. Â I think they are targeting a young outfielder that's still a couple years away and a pitcher for Dye. Essentially, Abreu would be a stop gap until the outfielder would be ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (G&T @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 11:25 AM) I think they are targeting a young outfielder that's still a couple years away and a pitcher for Dye. Essentially, Abreu would be a stop gap until the outfielder would be ready. Thats a good point as well. We already know that Danks is slated for the MLB level in 2-3 years and can play CF, but most likely at one point will end up in the corner. By that time Q will have been a mainstay in RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:22 AM) If you can get something a bit more valuable than Homer Bailey, and are SURE that Abreu will sign, then trade Dye right now and get this all over with. I have no problem with that line of moves if it happens, and I'm sure the vast majority of people here would agree. Abreu brings a lot more versatility than Dye does, and is probably the better player at this point in time. If the price for Abreu was reasonable enough (Like a base 3/$24-$27, maybe a little more if the 3rd year is an option year) then I'd make that move even if I felt like we weren't getting totally fair value for JD, because of what it does for the team long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 05:18 PM) Abreu would be a great asset offensively, though he has seemingly regressed the last couple of years. If the trade and signing happen, and barring other moves, the opening day lineup will probably look like   CF Owens/Lilli RF Abreu LF Quentin DH Thome 1B Konerko C AJ SS Ramirez 2b Getz/Lilli/Nix/Betemit 3B Fields  Not a bopping roster like we have had, but more athletic and better able to manufacture runs. Hopefully the top spot can be upgraded, but it sounds like a lot of people are attempting to do that. I'm not a fan of Owens leading off. I'm fine with him in CF batting 9th but I'd prefer Getz over Owens leading off. Getz, Abreu then Quentin could give you three straight guys with OBP over .370. Owens has speed but doesn't have the OBP capabilities Getz has. I think this one reason we were in the top 5 in HRs and bottom 5 in runs scored (or something like that) because with Swisher/Cabrera leading off and Wise/Pierzynski batting second, we had terrible OBP out of our first two spots in the lineup.  I realize you don't write the lineup I'm just commenting for arguments sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 BTW, Kenny is going to deny this rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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