scenario Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 03:53 PM) Considering Lowe has a top offer of 3-36 I dont think Garland, who is not close to the pitcher Lowe is, will get anywhere close to 12. I bet he signs for around 7-9 per. Lowe will get more than $12M. Remember, that's the offer he turned down. Things have been slow, but the free agent feeding frenzy looks like it's starting to pick up a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 QUOTE (scenario @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 10:51 PM) I'd be willing to bet someone offers Garland 3 years - $36M. And I can't see him getting less than $10M per year. I'm not suggesting that he's worth $12M per year, or that we should pay that. But I think somewhere along the line before the season starts some pitching hungry team will pony up the money. He's healthy. He's still relatively young. He doesn't walk alot of people. He's had success in the relatively recent past. He's had successful playoff experience. Yeah... somebody will pony up. And I doubt it will be us. $8-$10M a year tops. I think the big money is gone and reality sets in. Gareland will get what he has been getting alhtough incentives might be an option. I have always liked Jon Garland, but whether signing with the Sox is an option is a different story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 10:17 PM) I still think Jon Garland would be the perfect pick up for this team but maybe that's just me. It ain't just you. I feel the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 QUOTE (scenario @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 03:56 PM) Lowe will get more than $12M. Remember, that's the offer he turned down. Things have been slow, but the free agent feeding frenzy looks like it's starting to pick up a little. That doesn't mean the money will be there. I bet Lowe gets $13-14 mill a year and Garland winds up getting $8-9. I'd also be more inclined to believe that a lot of the young-ish players, such as Garland, will take 1 year offers to build up their value. Sheets might fit into that category as well, but he had a pretty damn good year last year so I don't know how much more he can build up his value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) Sheet is the most intriguing of the guys still out there, but KW would have to pay $12-14 million to get him for just one year I think...not sure if he will be relegated to an incentives-laden deal like Crede perhaps. The only thread of logic is some of these guys signing just one year contracts with the hopes of going back into the market off healthy years...on the other hand, they could get hurt, the economy could further tumble and they would be SOL. Perez is represented by Boras, is he not? Wolf is MEH for the money he's going to make, just like Garland. I like the idea of a guy like Pedro just as a "bridge" for one year. Take him out of the AL/NL East and he might have a chance for half a season. Maybe he would be a good presence to mentor/tutor Danks/Floyd and the younger pitchers, as well as having him around to look after Viciedo and increase his professionalism. Lyon would be good insurance for Linebrink and Dotel...and he's not costing us Type A compensation, that's big. You know with the bullpen, those guys can rebound and have lights-out years after crappy ones, especially in a new league where most hitters haven't seen him (like Linebrink in 2008) for a long time. Lowe will probably end up with $13-14 million per season over 4, Garland around $9-11 over 3. Since Burnett, Lowe, Wolf, Garland and Perez are the last five legitimate starters on the market standing, and there's still a huge need within many organizations, that will keep the prices inflated compared to the LF/DH market, where there are too many players fighting it out for fewer and fewer positions. Hudson remains intriguing too, if his price falls far enough...but will it ever be far enough for KW to turn around and lose the first rounder he'll get for Cabrera (hopefully)? Edited January 5, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 12:30 PM) I like Pedro as a 50-100 ip starter. Nothing more. Sign el Duke too. Maybe between them we get 50 innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 04:17 PM) I still think Jon Garland would be the perfect pick up for this team but maybe that's just me. Garland and Pedro to our staff would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 10:47 PM) Do you really think Garland would take 3 for 21 after making 12million in 2008? well, since the market has constricted he may not have a choice. back to the topic at hand though. do people think a combination of pedro, contreras, marquez, richards, and poreda could get the sox through a season pitching out of the 4 and 5 slots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I'm going to go ahead and call BS on this report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 03:17 PM) I still think Jon Garland would be the perfect pick up for this team but maybe that's just me. I said about a month ago I could see Garland and the Sox hooking up on a one year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 06:16 PM) I'm going to go ahead and call BS on this report. That's why you are Mr. Pessimism! Nothing KW has said leads me to believe he will sign him. So I think it is very possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 03:47 PM) Do you really think Garland would take 3 for 21 after making 12million in 2008? Judging by how fast the market has fallen for 2nd tier free agents, I would be surprised if Garland signs a deal worth more than $21 million or three years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 01:09 AM) That's why you are Mr. Pessimism! Nothing KW has said leads me to believe he will sign him. So I think it is very possible. Anyone that remembers me from the Cubs/Dbacks series 2 years ago knows how much I love Lyon. However, I don't believe these "XM radio" reports. No offense to the person who started this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 You can tell it's false when the only reports about the rumor are linked to Soxtalk. But on the plus side, Mets Fever picked up this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 So did the whitesox message board on the main site (whitesox.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 If this is true, which I have doubts about, I like it as long Martinez's contract is incentive laden. I think Martinez could potentially play a role similar to El Duque did in 05. He's a bigger injury risk though, but he's a solid vet who might not have real good stuff anymore, but knows how to pitch. As for Lloyn, he'd be a decent innings eater out of the pen with some closing experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 07:11 PM) Judging by how fast the market has fallen for 2nd tier free agents, I would be surprised if Garland signs a deal worth more than $21 million or three years. Pat Burrell getting 2 years, 16 million is a pretty clear indication that players who would have made 12-14 million last year won't be getting that this year. I can definitely see Garland only getting 3 years 21-24 million. Hell, even the Milton Bradley deal is cheap compared to what type of contracts players were getting in the previous 2 years (it was in 06 when contracts started to get crazy, right? That's when the Cubs signed Soriano and set the market, I believe). I like how the other poster pretty much indicated that Garland would not settle for 7 million a year, even though Burrell made 14 million last year. Edited January 6, 2009 by BearSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I think the difference between the Burrell or Bradley and Garland, is that Garland is a starting pitcher and if he even has a decent season this year he could make a lot more money next year. Id guess Garland signs a 1 year deal and tries again next year if he cant get anything that great. Even if you only take 5mil this year, as long as you can get 2 for 20 next year you come out ahead of 3 for 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I could definitely see Garland settling for a 2 year deal and becoming a free agent again at age 31 (which seems to be the a free agent's preferred age to maximize value). A Burrell deal is what I would envision at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 not question your credibilty... but you just joined the site and posted w sox fav for jones... which no one has picked up...... and this rumor is same ..... no media outlets, no other sites reporting it as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (chisox2334 @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 07:47 PM) not question your credibilty... but you just joined the site and posted w sox fav for jones... which no one has picked up...... and this rumor is same ..... no media outlets, no other sites reporting it as well Burrell and Giambi are pretty good though too. I have no problem with the report...not a misleading title, citing a source, and merely asking opinions. If it turns out to be false, which is likely, then it's false. Big whoop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (thedoctor @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 06:16 PM) well, since the market has constricted he may not have a choice. back to the topic at hand though. do people think a combination of pedro, contreras, marquez, richards, and poreda could get the sox through a season pitching out of the 4 and 5 slots? I'm very nervous about that with or without Pedro. That's why if there's any smoke to the Floyd/Roberts rumors KW has to have something else for SP'ing. As it stands now I hope he has something, even an average inning eating vetran would help a ton. With Danks/MB/Floyd/?/and the mysterians as the rotation right now, that could seriously tax the pen too. Let's say a good case scenario pans out and the Sox get a serviciable 4th and 5th starter out of the names mentioned above, I just can't see any of those names going consistently deep in games. Not to mention Danks and Floyd are no sure things at this point. I know I got ripped for supporting Javy, but as I've said numerous times, he was a luxury a high payroll team, like the Sox, can afford. He's going to be average at worse and eat through innings. Last year sucked because the rotation set up for him starting some vital games, most other teams would have been hurt if their 4th or 5th starter were starting those games. We'll see, I had similar concerns last year and KW was right, the best part of this is some of us will be right and some of us will be wrong once the season starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 06:43 PM) Sheet is the most intriguing of the guys still out there, but KW would have to pay $12-14 million to get him for just one year I think...not sure if he will be relegated to an incentives-laden deal like Crede perhaps. The only thread of logic is some of these guys signing just one year contracts with the hopes of going back into the market off healthy years...on the other hand, they could get hurt, the economy could further tumble and they would be SOL. Perez is represented by Boras, is he not? Wolf is MEH for the money he's going to make, just like Garland. I like the idea of a guy like Pedro just as a "bridge" for one year. Take him out of the AL/NL East and he might have a chance for half a season. Maybe he would be a good presence to mentor/tutor Danks/Floyd and the younger pitchers, as well as having him around to look after Viciedo and increase his professionalism. Lyon would be good insurance for Linebrink and Dotel...and he's not costing us Type A compensation, that's big. You know with the bullpen, those guys can rebound and have lights-out years after crappy ones, especially in a new league where most hitters haven't seen him (like Linebrink in 2008) for a long time. Lowe will probably end up with $13-14 million per season over 4, Garland around $9-11 over 3. Since Burnett, Lowe, Wolf, Garland and Perez are the last five legitimate starters on the market standing, and there's still a huge need within many organizations, that will keep the prices inflated compared to the LF/DH market, where there are too many players fighting it out for fewer and fewer positions. Hudson remains intriguing too, if his price falls far enough...but will it ever be far enough for KW to turn around and lose the first rounder he'll get for Cabrera (hopefully)? Didn't Burnett already sign with the Yankees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 10:01 PM) Didn't Burnett already sign with the Yankees? Yep. A.J. Burnett rhp 5 years/$82.5M (2009-13) o 09-13:$16.5M annually o limited no-trade clause (Burnett may block deals to 10 clubs each year) Edited January 6, 2009 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb...0,3626524.story The Dodgers aren't among the teams that are pursuing Pedro Martinez, Colletti said. Martinez's agent, Fernando Cuza, said today that his client has narrowed his choices to two National League teams and two American League teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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