Dick Allen Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (beck72 @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 07:38 PM) Just say no to Zito! Kenny Williams deserves a lot of credit for not being tied down to horrible contracts like Zito. Many teams around the league have these crap contracts filling up their rosters [just see the Cubs]. I just read today that Dontrelle Willis still has like $22 million due to him thru 2011. Thank goodness KW has had the foresight to not get bogged down in some bad contracts [like Rowand, Fukudome,] when a lot of people were calling for him to open the checkbook. He offered Fukudome more money than the Cubs did. He offered Rowand 4 years and when SF went to 5 he told Aaron he couldn't go 5. Not foresight. Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (beck72 @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 07:47 PM) Hunter, at the sox price, not the price the LAA signed him for, would have been an OK deal. The good thing about signing Hunter is we wouldn't have witnessed the Nick Swisher disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 08:05 PM) He offered Fukudome more money than the Cubs did. He offered Rowand 4 years and when SF went to 5 he told Aaron he couldn't go 5. Not foresight. Luck. Aaron is batting .304 and is quietly leading/helping the pitching & defense SF Giants to the wild card. He would look very, very good in a White Sox jersey just now. I've seen a couple of his games and he can still really play. He is not the player Torii Hunter is but he is still a very good baseball player. I agree the Giants are overpaying him (5 Yr $60 Mil), but he ain't no bum or bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 03:05 PM) If he could manage to dump Zito...Brian Sabean would be like the doctor that pawned Bob Wiley off on Dr. Leo Marvin. Sooo... what about bob ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Fukudome hit a slump in the last week, but until then he was batting over .300 and his OBP was comfortably in the .400s, and his OPS was somewhere about .900. Sure he is overpaid simply because of when he got his contract, but that's not exactly terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 15, 2009 -> 08:31 PM) Fukudome hit a slump in the last week, but until then he was batting over .300 and his OBP was comfortably in the .400s, and his OPS was somewhere about .900. Sure he is overpaid simply because of when he got his contract, but that's not exactly terrible. 'Dome is actually in a nearly month-long swoon, and his numbers are dropping like a stone. He's looking a lot like he did at the end of last year. i.e. BUST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) For all the flak Fukudome gets, he's put up a .368 OBP in 203 career games. He hasn't hit for power at all, but if he plays an adequate CF, he's a fine regular. Not worth the $15 mill a year he is getting, but a fine regular. Edited June 16, 2009 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Zito = NEVER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Zito showed tonight why any team should be happy to have him... NOT! (LOL) Gave up eight runs in three and a third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 RotoWorld: A report suggested that the Giants have signed Mr. Zero, Shingo Takatsu to a minor league contract. According to NPBtracker.com, Takatsu will report to Triple-A Fresno once his visa paperwork clears. Takatsu, a legendary Japanese league closer, hasn't pitched a regular season game in the majors since 2005. He failed to win a job with the Cubs out of spring training last year and ended up in Korea. The 40-year-old reliever still thinks he can pitch in the bigs. Speaking of the Giants, they seem to be trying to put the 2005 White Sox band back together. Rowand, Uribi, now maybe Shingo. Is Carl Everett next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 02:05 AM) He offered Fukudome more money than the Cubs did. He offered Rowand 4 years and when SF went to 5 he told Aaron he couldn't go 5. Not foresight. Luck. I don't recall the sox offer ever being confirmed as being the highest with Fukudome. I thought the sox offered $10 mill a yr for 4 yrs, and the Cubs had a higher offer and the extra incentives of playing Rf and being the 1st position player from Japan playing with the cubs. But my key point is luck really doesn't have anything to do with the Sox not being tied down to albatross type contracts. Other GM's are willing to add years or salary for free agents, vastly overpaying for players. Kenny would rather overpay in trades for the right player. Sure, there are some misses [swisher a prime example]. But those trades don't prevent the sox major league club from being competitive. The Sox only "overpay" [ie, paying the competitive, going rate] for their own proven vets, like PK, Mark, Contreras, AJ, Dye, etc. With the sox farm system being vastly improved, the sox will be in much better shape in the years ahead. They can add players with trades. And get contributions from the minor league players [beckham, Getz, Poreda, etc]. Other teams are stuck keeping scrubs on their roster [ex. Luis Castillo, Dontrelle Willis, Pierre, Fukudome, et al], preventing them from upgrading at those spots, when they would have loved to gotten rid of them. Edited June 16, 2009 by beck72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (almagest @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 01:09 AM) Zito showed tonight why any team should be happy to have him... NOT! (LOL) Gave up eight runs in three and a third. Barry Zito - meet the American League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 10:00 AM) Barry Zito - meet the American League. If they dfa him they'll get nothing. Anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 QUOTE (forrestg @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 08:27 AM) If they dfa him they'll get nothing. Anything is possible. Not with that contract. They'll DL him for 4 years if they have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 they'll have to pay the whole contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan3530 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 The only way you take on Zito is if Lincecum is coming along with him. End of thread/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sf_soxfan Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 zito is a sad bastard. i listen to knbr on the morning commute -- today's topic: name another pro athlete, who has started regularly over, say, a couple of years, simply b/c it would almost be more embarrassing for that that team to bench him based on the size of the contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 When I read the front page it said "What about bringing over Barry...". However I was disappointed to learn that you were not talking about Bonds because then it would have been a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Juan Uribe, even if he has to pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Jun 16, 2009 -> 11:38 AM) The only way you take on Zito is if Lincecum is coming along with him. End of thread/ I'd settle for Cain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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