WSoxMatt Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 5 IP 2 H 1 ER 2 BB 1 K 65 pitches 40 strikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I wonder how his offspeed pitches were though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 5th starter= Colon until he loses it. IMO, his ERA would have to be over 4.50 to lose it. I would be fine with it. Poreda is pretty nice coming out the Pen, for now. What ever happens, it is nice to know that we don't have to plug in the 5th spot with Arnie Munoz or Felix Diaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 What ever happens, it is nice to know that we don't have to plug in the 5th spot with Arnie Munoz or Felix Diaz. You said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I would rather have Fathom, KHP or Dick Allen starting than Poreda. Really!!! What was the velocity with Colon's FB this time? Any reports? The last time we saw him, he was really struggling to get it above 90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 02:03 AM) You said it. Some of my favorites, off the top of my head: Danny Wright (actually Jason Bere Lite before the injuries, won 14 games with a bloated ERA) Josh Stewart Mike Porzio Felix Diaz Jon Adkins Nick Masset Gary Glover (blast from past) Rocky Biddle (surprised he became closer for the Expos and was sort of decent one year) Sean Tracey Arnie Munoz Matt Ginter Jon Rauch Scott Eyre (not sure if he ever started or not for us...maybe he came out of the pen?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 never forget that Diaz start that beat the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 04:14 AM) Rocky Biddle (surprised he became closer for the Expos and was sort of decent one year) his ERA was 4.65 and he was 34/41 in save opportunities. I would call that below average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Well...anything between 80-85% in save conversion is "pretty good" in my book, irregardless of ERA, and 85% and above is optimal. Below 75% isn't tolerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 04:32 AM) Well...anything between 80-85% in save conversion is "pretty good" in my book, irregardless of ERA, and 85% and above is optimal. Below 75% isn't tolerable. 2005 Shingo 8/9 was not "optimal". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 03:14 AM) Some of my favorites, off the top of my head: Danny Wright (actually Jason Bere Lite before the injuries, won 14 games with a bloated ERA) Josh Stewart Mike Porzio Felix Diaz Jon Adkins Nick Masset Gary Glover (blast from past) Rocky Biddle (surprised he became closer for the Expos and was sort of decent one year) Sean Tracey Arnie Munoz Matt Ginter Jon Rauch Scott Eyre (not sure if he ever started or not for us...maybe he came out of the pen?) I was just going to say what about Danny Wright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kageman129 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 04:14 AM) Some of my favorites, off the top of my head: Danny Wright (actually Jason Bere Lite before the injuries, won 14 games with a bloated ERA) Josh Stewart Mike Porzio Felix Diaz Jon Adkins Nick Masset Gary Glover (blast from past) Rocky Biddle (surprised he became closer for the Expos and was sort of decent one year) Sean Tracey Arnie Munoz Matt Ginter Jon Rauch Scott Eyre (not sure if he ever started or not for us...maybe he came out of the pen?) I remember going to a game with my dad, it was against the A's. I can't remember what year, but Scott Eyre had a spot-start. He threw like, 5 perfect innings to start the game. We were really excited. I think he ended up giving up about 5 runs by the end of the game, but it was still cool to see a no-namer (at the time) be perfect for that long. Edited July 10, 2009 by kageman129 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 02:52 AM) 5th starter= Colon until he loses it. IMO, his ERA would have to be over 4.50 to lose it. I would be fine with it. Poreda is pretty nice coming out the Pen, for now. What ever happens, it is nice to know that we don't have to plug in the 5th spot with Arnie Munoz or Felix Diaz. That year was f***ing brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Nobody cared for the Neal Cotts start at Yankee Stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Everytime I hear or read the words "Danny Wright" it makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 08:46 AM) Nobody cared for the Neal Cotts start at Yankee Stadium? ah yes...the game that got jerry manuel fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 09:29 AM) ah yes...the game that got jerry manuel fired One of the worst managerial decisions I had ever witnessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggliopipe Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 04:14 AM) Some of my favorites, off the top of my head: Danny Wright (actually Jason Bere Lite before the injuries, won 14 games with a bloated ERA) Josh Stewart Mike Porzio Felix Diaz Jon Adkins Nick Masset Gary Glover (blast from past) Rocky Biddle (surprised he became closer for the Expos and was sort of decent one year) Sean Tracey Arnie Munoz Matt Ginter Jon Rauch Scott Eyre (not sure if he ever started or not for us...maybe he came out of the pen?) No one can compile lists of ex-Sox like you, NO ONE! Especially 1990's-early 2000's ex-Sox. Well, at least not at your frequency of compilation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 They said he'd have to mix in his breaking ball to get back to the starting rotation. By all accounts, he was almost exclusively using his fastball during this Charlotte start. His ERA this year is deceptive. I give the guy credit for battling and hitting his spots with his fastball, but I don't think he has much left. Do you think Poreda is going to develop a pitch between now and next year? Seems doubtful. Let's see how his stuff works in a starter's role now. Whee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Caulfield...you have dropped a couple of notches... Sean Lowe...? No love for my boy Sean Lowe...??? 2001: 11 Starts 9-4 3.61 ERA? I'm very disappointed in you..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Spencer Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 03:14 AM) Some of my favorites, off the top of my head: Danny Wright (actually Jason Bere Lite before the injuries, won 14 games with a bloated ERA) Josh Stewart Mike Porzio Felix Diaz Jon Adkins Nick Masset Gary Glover (blast from past) Rocky Biddle (surprised he became closer for the Expos and was sort of decent one year) Sean Tracey Arnie Munoz Matt Ginter Jon Rauch Scott Eyre (not sure if he ever started or not for us...maybe he came out of the pen?) One year I went to 3 Sox games. Danny Wright pitched 2 of them and Josh Stewart pitched the other. All 3 were blow-out loses. I also seen Adkins, Munoz and Tracey pitch for the Knights and all 3 were loses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 09:56 AM) Caulfield...you have dropped a couple of notches... Sean Lowe...? No love for my boy Sean Lowe...??? 2001: 11 Starts 9-4 3.61 ERA? I'm very disappointed in you..... I thought Lowe was a prick...for some reason, I never liked that guy. Rick White was another guy who drove me nuts. Actually, though, Lowe was one of those guys who seamlessly drifted back and forth, didn't complain...kept getting bumped because KW thought he had pitchers who would turn out better over the long-term but he was the definition of a "battler" (like Greg Hibbard) out there. Being a Sox fan from 1978 until the Thomas/Sosa/Ventura/McDowell/Bere/Fernandez/Alvarez talent infusion was a very LONELY place. Looking back, Calderon and Melido Perez, along with One-Dog, those were my 3 favorite players from that time span. Although I have to admit I was VERY excited when Sosa first came up about his ability to be the next Roberto Clemente (my all-time favorite). I know I am getting old (39 now) when I start to sound like "colsat46" at the older chisox.com reminiscing about 80's and 90's Sox players!!! Those guys loved to talk about Fox and Aparicio almost on a daily basis, just like my uncle when I was growing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 My strongest memory of Rick White was that he had a horrible spring training and there was a newspaper article written about how funny it was that he did so poorly. After all, he was a veteran with a long and decent track record. He joked about how his brother-in-law was giving him a hard time. Of course, he wasn't any better when the season started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I remember the days of Rodney Bolton, Cris Clemons and Tom Fordham. Oh yeah. And who can forget the Ken Hill experiment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 11:26 AM) And who can forget the Ken Hill experiment? 1 very bad start, not Arnie Munoz in Montreal bad, but very bad nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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