The Ginger Kid Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 i don't think they pull out of this one. The usual suspects look like dirt turds in whack-a-mole -- pods, jd, kong, thome, aj. Pitching hasn't been atrocious but not enough to survive this offensive swoon. Hope i'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 is the fire KW talk serious? It's an akward year with a lot of older vets with contracts going away, I mean you can't be serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 10:04 PM) is the fire KW talk serious? It's an akward year with a lot of older vets with contracts going away, I mean you can't be serious Uh, no. I wasn't serious. But there is some cause-and-effect here between the players our GM gets and the way they perform in a "ballpark" that puts a premium on speed and fundamentals. So I think it's a little foolish to pretend that KW is blameless if, year after year, the same slow, fundamentally shoddy guys are trotted out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 09:54 PM) Strange Sox indeed . That was a sarcastic response to some other posts on the previous page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 No, I don't think anyone is calling for KW to be seriously fired, but at some point the guy has to be held accountable for giving Ozzie the same tired, slow, fundamentally inept team to work with, year after year. When given lemons, you might be able to make lemonade, but when given dogs***, you really can't make anything out of it. Know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Just got home. Nice to see we hammered the mighty Brian Duensing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (CQMVP @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 03:15 AM) No, I don't think anyone is calling for KW to be seriously fired, but at some point the guy has to be held accountable for giving Ozzie the same tired, slow, fundamentally inept team to work with, year after year. When given lemons, you might be able to make lemonade, but when given dogs***, you really can't make anything out of it. Know what I mean? Other than terrible mishandling of the last couple roster spots, KW has done a pretty damn fine job managing our rosters. Ozzie has had plenty to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 08:13 PM) That was a sarcastic response to some other posts on the previous page. Ha well use green or quote someone so I have a clue cuz I'm like usually clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 10:20 PM) Other than terrible mishandling of the last couple roster spots, KW has done a pretty damn fine job managing our rosters. Ozzie has had plenty to work with. Because a lot of teams compete for the World Series without any kind of major league caliber leadoff hitter, center fielder, or third baseman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (CQMVP @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 04:33 AM) Because a lot of teams compete for the World Series without any kind of major league caliber leadoff hitter, center fielder, or third baseman? If we were going to compete for a World Series, we have those covered, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Sox Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Aaagh! This is such a frustrating team! Other than maybe a few minor moves, I don't thnk KW does much dealing at the deadline. Just a hunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 10:36 PM) If we were going to compete for a World Series, we have those covered, actually. CF = Pods/Wise = Brutal at CF/Brutal at the plate Leadoff Hitter = Pods = anomaly this year 3B = Beckham = SS actually, but we have noone on the team that can play 3B and not suck completely at it. I'd say we're "winging it" with those three this season, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (CQMVP @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 04:51 AM) CF = Pods/Wise = Brutal at CF/Brutal at the plate Leadoff Hitter = Pods = anomaly this year 3B = Beckham = SS actually, but we have noone on the team that can play 3B and not suck completely at it. I'd say we're "winging it" with those three this season, to be honest. They are far from a problem and KW can and should be commended for his handling of both players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 10:52 PM) They are far from a problem and KW can and should be commended for his handling of both players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (CQMVP @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 04:57 AM) Yes, saying Beckham and Pods are not problems on this team is so lol worthy. I mean, really? More or less, they are our two best position players at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 10:59 PM) Yes, saying Beckham and Pods are not problems on this team is so lol worthy. I mean, really? More or less, they are our two best position players at this point. I'm not talking about the PLAYERS. Pods and Beckham are irreplacable on this team right now, but it has nothing to do with Pods playing CF and Beckham playing 3B. You're missing the point. Just because Beckham is a stud, doesn't mean we don't need a natural 3B. Beckham should be playing SS, and I'd gladly have him there instead of Alexei, except, we have no 3B... I'm not saying that Beckham is bad at 3B, just that it isn't his natural position. He was put there because we have no major league options at 3B. Just because Pods is having a comeback-player-of-the-year type season, doesn't mean we don't need a natural CF, either. I'd much rather we had a major league CF, so we could move Quentin to RF, Dye to DH, and Pods to LF, and improve our defense pretty dramatically(at least while Thome is sitting). This team is extremely flawed, and if you can't see that, well, I don't really know what to tell you. Edited July 30, 2009 by CQMVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (CQMVP @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 04:06 AM) I'm not talking about the PLAYERS. Pods and Beckham are irreplacable on this team right now, but it has nothing to do with Pods playing CF and Beckham playing 3B. You're missing the point. Just because Beckham is a stud, doesn't mean we don't need a natural 3B. Beckham should be playing SS, and I'd gladly have him there instead of Alexei, except, we have no 3B... I'm not saying that Beckham is bad at 3B, just that it isn't his natural position. He was put there because we have no major league options at 3B. Just because Pods is having a comeback-player-of-the-year type season, doesn't mean we don't need a natural CF, either. I'd much rather we had a major league CF, so we could move Quentin to RF, Dye to DH, and Pods to LF, and improve our defense pretty dramatically(at least while Thome is sitting). This team is extremely flawed, and if you can't see that, well, I don't really know what to tell you. You made the statement we didn't have major league caliber players at those positions. Whether or not Pods and Beckham suck defensively, they are still ABOVE average players, let alone being worthy enough to play in MLB. They do PLENTY of more good then harm, and are where they not only because they are holes at their respective positions, but because we're kind of full at their natural ones. I do wish we move Slayer over a spot, but it's not going to happen on the middle of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (CQMVP @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 10:51 PM) CF = Pods/Wise = Brutal at CF/Brutal at the plate Leadoff Hitter = Pods = anomaly this year 3B = Beckham = SS actually, but we have noone on the team that can play 3B and not suck completely at it. I'd say we're "winging it" with those three this season, to be honest. I gotta disagree. I actually think he's more suited at 2B at this level. Just don't think he has the range to play SS in the bigs. The only case in point I can refer to...Pedroia was actually a better SS defensively in college than Beckham IMO. Where's he at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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