caulfield12 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Francisco Liriano getting torched again. Interesting, the Jeff Passan article today argues that it's almost 100% because of his "horrible" fastball and not because of the diminished torque on his slider...which is down in the mid to low 80's from 86-90 when he was so dominating in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 07:18 PM) But JD needs to be a full-time DH. 5 errors and countless missed catches or balls falling out of his grasp just foul that should have been outs...not good. I always thought JD could play an adequate 1B if Paulie was ever traded. I mean how hard could it really be? I think he is athletic enough. However, with Paulies "resurgence" this might never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Beckham's fly ball is still coming down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Even though it's an out: ugh our defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Hmm hopefully we do some defesnive overhauls in the offseason. A good Defense + Our stud Pitching + Beckhams second year in the majors = The way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 05:28 PM) Even though it's an out: ugh our defense. shades of Mauer's "double" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 07:27 PM) I always thought JD could play an adequate 1B if Paulie was ever traded. I mean how hard could it really be? I think he is athletic enough. However, with Paulies "resurgence" this might never happen. Very hard. He'd need to learn how to hold runners on, get a read on ground balls, know when to be the cut-off man on plays to home, trail runners on extra base hits, catch pick-off throws and apply tags, do some scouting on hitters to find out there tendencies, and he'd be nowhere close to Paulie a far as making picks on bad throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Minnesota has the best defense now in the ALCD with the addition of Cabrera and moving Punto over to 2nd...very solid OF and Cuddyer has a strong arm. But their rotation is very, very bad...and no offense outside of their Big 4. The Tigers have the starting pitching, but not enough offense (unless Guillen and Ordonez really pick it up, and Thomas/Raburn continue to progress) and a similar bullpen to ours. And they have so many pitchers with high IP and pitch counts (Verlander/Porcello/Jackson)...which will come into play down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 07:29 PM) Very hard. He'd need to learn how to hold runners on, get a read on ground balls, know when to be the cut-off man on plays to home, trail runners on extra base hits, catch pick-off throws and apply tags, do some scouting on hitters to find out there tendencies, and he'd be nowhere close to Paulie a far as making picks on bad throws. I wasn't trying to downplay 1B, but generally it is the easiest position to play.I guess my greater point that was not made clear is that I think JD has okay baseball instincts, I mean he isn't like Alexei Ramirez or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Alexei's baseball instincts are fine, it's just his concentration and focus that are lacking. But his baseball "instincts" are a lot better than the likes of BA, Fields or Borchard, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 I thought that was out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 07:33 PM) Alexei's baseball instincts are fine, it's just his concentration and focus that are lacking. But his baseball "instincts" are a lot better than the likes of BA, Fields or Borchard, etc. Disagree. I think BA had decent ones....as long as he wasn't hitting. I think Ramirez gets by on athletic ability rather than any baseball instincts. I won't argue you on the other two guys though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbabins Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 06:29 PM) Very hard. He'd need to learn how to hold runners on, get a read on ground balls, know when to be the cut-off man on plays to home, trail runners on extra base hits, catch pick-off throws and apply tags, do some scouting on hitters to find out there tendencies, and he'd be nowhere close to Paulie a far as making picks on bad throws. how do you get the big leagues without knowing that? every person thats played baseball when they were 13 years old knows the cut off situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 08 CQ gettin close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Quentin's swing is getting closer and closer....just missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Orlando Cabrera is overrated defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 07:37 PM) 08 CQ gettin close 10-20 more feet to the left that's in the seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 07:38 PM) Orlando Cabrera is overrated. fixed. Statistically he was one of the worst hitters in the AL IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 07:36 PM) Disagree. I think BA had decent ones....as long as he wasn't hitting. I think Ramirez gets by on athletic ability rather than any baseball instincts. I won't argue you on the other two guys though. Alexei can adjust better than any batter on our team from pitch to pitch...he has the quickest hands and bat speed. Anderson has NO offensive plan or instincts whatsoever. He had no concept of situational hitting or shortening his swing. Defensively, both are capable of the spectacular and brain cramps. BA missed quite a few cut-off men and despite his "strong" arm it was never a weapon that struck fear into the hearts of opponents. Ramirez has a better arm, comparatively, for his position. Anderson is arguably a less instinctual baserunner than Ramirez, although both have their moments...Valentin and Ventura were two of the best I've seen with the Sox, although neither were close to fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 QUOTE (Jbabs34 @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 07:37 PM) how do you get the big leagues without knowing that? every person thats played baseball when they were 13 years old knows the cut off situations Well, I don't know JD's little league career, but if he's been exclusively OF, who knows. He's old, he could very well have forgotten a few things. I'm not saying he doesn't know, but he certainly would have to be refreshed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Ugh. That's bad Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Seems like we're hitting an awful lot of balls near the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 hold em G - we're blowing this thing open next inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Jackson's pitching a helluva game in murder city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 bad defense is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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