witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 So here is the ultimate idea of mine; I believe Tony Pena has options, so it works. Contreras has been fabulous his first time through the order. I don't even think I need to look up statistics; he's been fantastic. The second time, usually come the 4th inning, Contreras sucks. So, move Hudson/whoever into rotation, send Pena down, and let Conteras work out of the pen from here out on. Givers or takers>? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) Im not sold, mainly because Contreras has shown complete inability to recover from any sort of error on the field and in the later innings he would have to pitch over mistakes in order to keep the Sox in the game. And I am not saying Linebrink is any better, because he has not been good at all. Edited August 15, 2009 by KyYlE23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 06:50 AM) Im not sold, mainly because Contreras has shown complete inability to recover from any sort of error on the field and in the later innings he would have to pitch over mistakes in order to keep the Sox in the game. And I am not saying Linebrink is any better, because he has not been good at all. I've thought this before Contreras doesn't have the concentration to be a starting pitcher. I believe he can be dominating for a couple of innings but Contreras takes a long time to warm up. SO in a pinch he might not be ready exactly when we nned him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Contreras has a history of being overly-sensitive, and I don't think that demoting him will help. That said, he may not have a choice if Freddy is able to out-pitch him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 I don't think he's looked dominant in the first few innings. To me, it seems like he just gets away with some mistakes that eventually catch up to him. He may be dominant in the first inning, but it seems he gets hit harder and harder with each passing inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 I like the idea of Jose in the bullpen. Although I don't know how effective he will be pitching every other day with short notice to warm up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 It might be worth a try, but in theory it's getting late to experiment. We're in a pennant race, .500ish record and all. I wouldn't mind trying it though. At worst he'll be inconsistent like a lot of our relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 09:53 AM) Contreras has a history of being overly-sensitive, and I don't think that demoting him will help. That said, he may not have a choice if Freddy is able to out-pitch him. Contreras can't pitch more than 3 innings right now. He's earned the demotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 15, 2009 -> 12:44 PM) Contreras can't pitch more than 3 innings right now. He's earned the demotion. Maybe, but I'd wait to see how Freddy pitches before pulling the trigger. Hudson appears to be the only other viable option at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tel Aviv Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 So here is the ultimate idea of mine; I believe Tony Pena has options, so it works. Contreras has been fabulous his first time through the order. I don't even think I need to look up statistics; he's been fantastic. The second time, usually come the 4th inning, Contreras sucks. Contreras cannot pitch with runners on base. Period. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 I would keep Contreras in the rotation. His ERA-FIP (fielding independent pitching) is the highest of all AL starters, meaning with a little help from the D he's more than adequate as a 4th/5th starter. He's got the lowest line drive rate and highest ground ball rate among our current 4 starters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 I would keep Contreras in the rotation. His ERA-FIP (fielding independent pitching) is the highest of all AL starters, meaning with a little help from the D he's more than adequate as a 4th/5th starter. He's got the lowest line drive rate and highest ground ball rate among our current 4 starters Those stats are great to see, but he's 4-11 and right now appears done. How's he done as a fourth/fifth starter in the last 3 weeks? He's toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock4Life Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 screw it, lets go with a tandem. let jose start, pitch for 3-4 innings bring in a reliever (hudson?) to finish the game or give it to thorton-jenks. this way hudson doesn't get brought up with any pressure besides being an ML pitcher (as in not the starter that needs to be a stop gap for us to win the division). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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